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um this episode is skeptico a show about

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feeling out of place

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Central pay Dubai we've we've done our

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fair share of travel when I tell you I

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have never in my life seen a city with

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this level

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of of wealth the cheapest cheeseburger

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is like 86 you cannot get a cheeseburger

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for less than 80 bucks love sandwiches

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75 a coffee is 25

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and when that might not be a bad thing

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there's a certain tone deafness to

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people who hang out in Davos Switzerland

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and eat fifty dollar hamburgers I've

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heard about Davos and it was this idea

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of you're an influential person and this

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is a place where people are going to

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help the world back to your earlier

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point you know of course they're being

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deceptive of course they're being

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elitist of course they think that the

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Sheep need to be herded they're so

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beyond that it's second nature to them I

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think it's more helpful to switch to

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Kissinger because I think you can always

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understand Klaus Schwab but

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understanding Henry Kissinger that first

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clip was from the Logan Paul gang on

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their trip to Davos the second was from

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today's guest Mark Gober returning guest

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with his new book and end to the upside

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down reset

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics I'm your host Alexa

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Garrison today we welcome Mark Gober

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back to skeptico Mark keeps cranking out

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these fantastic books in his upside down

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series and I just keep having him back

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because they're so good every time I run

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across one of them and the last one and

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end to upside down reset is no exception

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and Mark it's great to have you back

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thanks for joining me here on skeptico

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Alex thank you thank you so much for

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having me back it's always fun chatting

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with you and I'm looking forward to this

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topic well this topic as it turns out

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this is almost like

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to me it's a model for this skeptical

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reboot thing you know and I don't know

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exactly how this conversation is going

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to go because I guess we should fill

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people in a little bit I actually did a

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pretty extensive pre-interview with you

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that was really great and we really

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talked about

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this topic of the great reset but then

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we talked about a lot of other things in

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terms of well particularly what

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connected me from a skeptical

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perspective to this book and your

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perspective on this topic and and then

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from there uh we scheduled the interview

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and I said wait wait I got in the middle

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I said wait you know there's a couple

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more interviews I'd like to do before we

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do that I'd like to go interview Johnny

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vedmore who's done this incredible

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series along with Whitney Webb on

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unlimited hangout on

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the Schwab family and on all this stuff

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related to this fantastic work

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interviewed him and then I said Hey in

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Charlie Robinson he's done some great

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work and the octopus of global control

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fits into this as does some of his worst

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recent work on Aspen Institute and all

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this globalist agenda stuff that's going

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on so I wanted to do all that

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mainly is kind of a result of us having

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that initial conversation where I think

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we both felt like you know maybe we were

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really troubled with this topic but we

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were kind of coming at it from a

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different perspective that we hadn't

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heard many other people talk about so

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I just want to have a very

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kind of freewheeling conversation about

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that and uh I know you're open to that

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because whenever we do we have really

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great conversations so I'd start just by

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saying I guess we have to start with

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kind of some definitional things and

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some basic things you wrote This Book

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and into the upside down reset

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thumbnail sketch what's it about

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it looks at the great reset which is the

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world economic forum's vision for

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society and one of the reasons I felt

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comfortable writing this book is that I

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didn't have to invoke conspiracy theory

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because they've written about this

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extensively they've talked about it

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extensively in June of 2020 Klaus Schwab

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and Thierry Mallory class Schwab is the

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head of the world economic forum and

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they published a book covid-19 The Great

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reset which goes through what covid-19

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meant in terms of being able to reset

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the world and they they saw

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an opportunity to implement many ideas

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that had been in place for a while and

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then there's a subsequent book The Great

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narrative so in my book I examine what

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is stated what's the stated vision and I

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break it down into six categories they

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don't do it in this way but as I

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evaluated all the things that have been

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said I wanted to create this framework

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for myself but also for others to then

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evaluate future events so the six

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categories so hold on before you go into

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those six categories total Normie

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question and I don't want to do with a

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lot of army stuff because I want to dive

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deeper than that but neither do I want

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to just lay out a bunch of facts that

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everyone kind of knows and it's almost

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like the Normie perspective needs to be

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heard here because that's where I think

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we're really going to go with this is

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you talk to uh number one I talk to

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people about the great reset

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most the time I get a Blank Stare right

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and these are educated uh people who

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know stuff and are you know in in this

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world and in business and they're like

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this and then when you explain it to

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them a lot of times what they'll do is

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well what's so wrong with that I mean

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don't we have Global problems that we

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have to address and haven't we always

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had people that are looking at things at

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this kind of bigger level that that

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Ordinary People and even governments

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can't so Mark why are you agitated why

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are people like me agitated with the

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great reset

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I'm glad you mentioned that Alex because

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people in high-powered positions who

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have not heard of the great reset maybe

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they've heard of the world economic

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Forum but they again they don't see

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problems with the idea of powerful

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people getting together to try to help

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the world and I'm not convinced that

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everyone involved in the great reset has

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a nefarious intent I think many of them

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think they're helping but the reason

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that I'm agitated and that many others

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get agitated is that

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the things that they talk about even

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though they might have a veneer of

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compassion it's out of you know this is

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for the common good the results might

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not be so good so they're talking about

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things like centralized power uh more

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those sorts of things which could spiral

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in a very negative Direction and given

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what we've seen starting in 2020 but

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became very clear in 2020

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um where Global government started to

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control citizens much more that I view

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these things now as a much more serious

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threat you know and I jump in there

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again because I'd say you just made a

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transition

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that should be troubling to people

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because it's like this is a part of the

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game that's played over and over again

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which is like since when does solving

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Global problems or looking at Global

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issues entail transhumanism entail uh

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worldwide vaccination programs and

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sponsoring what what who who voted for

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that being the top agenda items as a

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global thing so again it kind of is

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sailing in under this there are some

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Global problems let's get the brightest

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smartest people let's Network them

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together about solving these problems

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but then when they come out of it and

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there are all these other agenda items

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that none of us would put on the list it

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what do you think about that

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I agree with you so I'm thinking now of

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some of the clips I heard from Davos

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which is the annual meeting for the

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world economic forum and Associated uh

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individuals there's a clip of Tony Blair

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a way to keep track of who's been

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vaccinated and who's not vaccinated and

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that was the sort of thing that people

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called a conspiracy theory not too long

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ago and now not only is it not a

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conspiracy theory but it's being

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advocated for that we need to keep track

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of people's health status and that could

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become more well in very quickly so I

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the problem here is that

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yes we have a bunch of people who are

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very influential and powerful and very

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intelligent in many cases but it's

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they're looking at the problems from

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their perspective and they're looking at

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their own Solutions and these are not

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people that we've elected we haven't

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voluntarily asked for them to create

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these solutions for us and that's where

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the problem can come in if things are

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imposed without our explicit consent

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yeah and it's it's it's also people

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don't realize because you talk about

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this and you just it's such a a tricky

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thing to unravel like you said these

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people are not elected and then people

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might naturally jump to the conclusion

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well then so what then they're not

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really in power and then you go no you

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don't get it I mean they're highly

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highly influential I mean they are

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influential at a level

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a single government they're influential

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across governments they're the go-to for

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the World Health Organization in terms

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of getting marching orders or at least

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apparently getting marching orders

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they're the go-to for the United Nations

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in terms of setting agenda at least they

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say we've gotten this from the world

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economic Forum there's countless number

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of world leaders who reference this

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in this as we start to unravel it is we

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do have this kind of Normie world and

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then we have this radically

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conspiratorial paranoid World which I

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think is much closer to the truth but

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the truth is undoubtedly someplace in

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between but the I think we have to

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we've done it maybe but really dispel

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the idea that the Normie view of this

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makes any sense at all because it

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doesn't this is not a normie kind of

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thing there's some major agenda setting

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here that is that is working its way

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into law working its way into policy

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already has and is highly influential in

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terms of where we're going do you have

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anything to add to that yeah I want to

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say that what you're describing very

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well here is one of the reasons I wanted

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to write the book is to lay these facts

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out and these are just objective facts

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in many cases of things the world

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economic Forum has said

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um Klaus Schwab for example has said we

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penetrate the cabinets with his young

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global leaders program meaning that they

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have the world economic forums young

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global leaders are in governments all

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over the world not necessarily in some

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cases the highest positions like Justin

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Trudeau Vladimir Putin but in other

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cases people you might not know about

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and that's insignificant because they

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might be influence the world economic

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Forum or its Partners might be

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influencing governments which can then

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impose things on its citizens so I think

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it's important for people to understand

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these basic facts that this is

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objectively happening maybe some people

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will will won't think it's as harmful as

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I do or maybe you do but just just to

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put on the table that this isn't only

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some Fringe conspiracy theory like on

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many of the YouTube videos now if you

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talk about the great reset Wikipedia has

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a little thing at the bottom which

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explains oh the great reset is an

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economic plan which makes it seem like

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it's some kind of conspiracy this is

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just objectively what's happening so I'm

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glad we're starting there

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let's jump over to the radically

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paranoid conspiracy angle on it too

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because

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that deserves some serious attention

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even if we pull back from it what is the

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the deepest darkest

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orwellian dystopian uh kind of

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understanding of what's kind of revealed

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because you can read it it doesn't take

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it doesn't take much of a stretch as

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your book points out you just read the

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book and you go oh my God they're right

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everything these conspiracy theorists

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are saying is laid out right here you

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will owe nothing and you will be happy

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you will have to eat less meat you will

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not be able to travel unless you have a

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passport I mean they're just kind of

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saying it this is what we're gonna do

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well the deepest darkest ideas here for

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me go to the metaphysical area and this

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relates to some of our prior

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conversations in my previous books

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particularly my last book and end to

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upside down contact which looks at UFOs

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aliens and spirits and the idea is that

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human beings are not alone and there are

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other intelligences that exist some of

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which might be physical others of which

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might be multi-dimensional and some of

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those beings seem to be benevolent and

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others are not so benevolent

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so my my mind goes to well what is the

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relationship between malevolent entities

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that are non-human and things that are

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happening on the planet so when I look

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at the great reset which is

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to me it's it's one iteration of a

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general ideology an ideology that wants

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to control people we call it the great

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reset and the world economic forum is

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just one version of it and I like to be

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able to write about it because it's very

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topical and they've laid out the plan

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but this is not a new idea of

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centralized Global control and sort of

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an anti-human mindset that sometimes

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comes it comes into play

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um which to me resembles a lot of the

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really dark stuff that I've examined in

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some of these other books so for just

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example ritual abuse of children animals

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and other humans where the idea is

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um through

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horrific practices it's possible to

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invoke dark entities demons and this is

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a historic practice it's been going on

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for a long time but there are many

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survivors in the modern era many

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therapists who have worked with these

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survivors and I talk about this in an

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end to upside down context some of the

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evidence for it not to say that every

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case is 100 real but there are some for

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sure and that's what matters because it

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tells us that there is a level of

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sophistication associated with evil that

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exists and what one of the themes that

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comes up when I've looked at this is

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that the dark energy wants to eradicate

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love and innocence

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and it wants to

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keep people in a state of fear and

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Trauma that that just seems to emerge

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over and over again so if you take some

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of those horrific rituals as like the

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most evil of the evil that you could

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imagine

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some of those themes seem to be

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happening on a macro level too that were

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perpetually in a state of fear

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um and we know from these rituals and

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also from MK Ultra that when you

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traumatize someone you can start to

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dissociate the personality create

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multiple personalities and that like you

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like you covered in your amazing

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interview with Tom zinser that might

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open

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multi-dimensional opportunities for dark

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entities to come in so what I'm getting

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at Alex here and then I'll pause is

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is what's happening with the great reset

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or just this general movement toward

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Global control related to darker

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energies that have an anti-human

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tendency that want to keep our inner

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love inner Divinity if you want to call

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it that suppressed in some way

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I asked you to go full paranoid

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conspiracy and you overshot the mark by

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about three or four

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hey three or four degrees which which is

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great because where you went is really

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where I go in this but I want to make it

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clear that that's not really where most

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people go and I think that's the

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strength of this conversation we're

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about to have I hold you up before from

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laying out the structure of the book

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let's go back and do that sure so the

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book is divided into two sections and

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there's an introduction and a conclusion

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the first section of the book looks at

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the psychology underlying a lot of the

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great reset rhetoric and to just

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summarize very briefly it's about the

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weaponization of compassion and how that

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kind of mentality can fool good people

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who have a caring intention and that's

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actually my biggest concern I'm much

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less concerned about the really evil

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stuff these days I'm more concerned

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about the good people who are falling

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for the dark stuff and they don't see it

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as dark pull up full full stop there the

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weaponization of compassion is powerful

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yeah but I think you have to

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I think you have to really support that

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because you understand the pushback

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on that and there's some valid pushback

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on that which is

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one person's weaponization is another

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person's uh actualization or

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implementation how and when do we judge

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what is the weaponization of compassion

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and before we get there give me an

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example of what you think we're talking

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about this General example is the notion

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of like collectivism that we should be

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doing things for the common good

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and we've seen historically how that can

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lead to horrific instances whether it's

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in communism or fascism they end up with

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a highly collectivistic mindset where

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you can say oh well we can do these

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horrible things to individuals because

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it's in service of the greater good

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let's just take the treatment of people

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who were not vaccinated as an example

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are you a good citizen have you been

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vaccinated

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I just heard that exact question asked

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to what's that guy's name Dave Rubin you

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know and it's just it's jarring so the

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term that I use in this book and also my

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book and into upside down living is

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compassion with discernment and the more

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I think about it the more I think that's

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a really important idea because

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especially

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those of us who have a non-dual

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spiritual understanding that we're all

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one at some level and you look at

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near-death experiences and psychedelic

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accounts and meditation experiences

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people talk about the same essence of

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benevolence that they come back with

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it's hard to describe with words it's

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ineffable but I just listen to more and

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more people they had this very

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benevolent uh picture of of reality

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that's interconnected and they can't get

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past that so to me that's important data

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just objectively I can't reject that but

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then that can lead people to just just

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want to be compassionate towards

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everyone be loving towards everyone I

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tell the story in my book and end to

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upside down living a woman she had some

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kind of Spiritual Awakening she met a

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man let him into her home and then she

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said it was hell the guy started

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manipulating her and she she couldn't

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discern

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so it's like the compassion is the first

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step that's part of the non-dual

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understanding but the Paradox is that we

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live in Duality that there's Mark and

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Alex that there is separation at this

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level even though at some level we seem

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to be interconnected so the discernment

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this is what you're getting to in the

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show increasingly Alex deception that

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that exists in this world it's it's a

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very important aspect of this world so

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there's got to be the compassion first

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then the understanding of deception and

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asking the question is the compassion

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applied appropriately here or should we

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be thinking about it differently so

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that's what I try to bring out a lot in

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this first half of the book

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and and I'm going to bring you back to

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the word that you use though because

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it's really the the important word the

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operative word and that's weaponization

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because if you go there with the

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deception thing and if you say deception

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is not only real but deception's always

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in play deception is the way the world

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really works if you want to be objective

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and look at how things get done because

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we're basically in a world of Conquest

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one group conquering another and

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militarily physically dominating and

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War doesn't really discriminate too much

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between deception or those kind of

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things it doesn't it doesn't apply so

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much so it it the war model does fit in

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with weaponization so the idea of

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weaponizing compassion what you're

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pointing at is that if you have this I

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got to take that hill at all costs to

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the extent that I can control people by

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placating them with this idea that they

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are being compassionate because I find

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that that pushes their buttons then yeah

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that just becomes another play in my

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playbook it's almost like there are

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different types of evil if we want to

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call it that way there's the

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the really obvious type where it's

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murderous and torturing people I mean

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that's like a horror movie but then

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there's the the deceptive part where

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it's it's masquerading as benevolent

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it's a trickster

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and it's I think it's easier for people

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who have maybe let's say this is part of

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our Essence that we're all part of the

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one Consciousness we have this

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benevolence within us

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to get people who have that innate

552
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,419
benevolence to go along with something

553
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,520
in many cases it might be easier to give

554
00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:00,960
them a bit of that benevolence on the

555
00:21:04,370 --> 00:21:02,820
surface and to just hope they're not

556
00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:04,380
going to see what's beyond that surface

557
00:21:08,510 --> 00:21:05,700
level appearance

558
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,520
yeah I agree and you know one of the

559
00:21:12,049 --> 00:21:10,080
things that I kept coming back to again

560
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,059
we're just going to kind of roll with

561
00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:13,919
this and kind of see where it leads but

562
00:21:18,289 --> 00:21:15,960
this is Who We Are

563
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,299
this is America

564
00:21:24,049 --> 00:21:20,640
you know the good and the and the bad

565
00:21:26,150 --> 00:21:24,059
the the you know I love the story I was

566
00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:26,160
listening to uh Bruce Springsteen live

567
00:21:30,409 --> 00:21:27,720
on Broadway you know and tells all these

568
00:21:31,970 --> 00:21:30,419
stories between the his songs and I

569
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:31,980
never was much of a Bruce Springsteen

570
00:21:37,130 --> 00:21:34,799
fan and I sure as hell I am now but he

571
00:21:40,130 --> 00:21:37,140
was talking about his most famous iconic

572
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:40,140
song Born in the USA

573
00:21:46,370 --> 00:21:43,140
which if anyone remembers it and listens

574
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:46,380
to it is really a protest song it's

575
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:49,919
really uh an activist activism song

576
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,799
and he said when he first came out with

577
00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:54,960
it it was kind of misunderstood is

578
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:57,299
misunderstood as a you know make America

579
00:22:03,710 --> 00:22:00,960
great Again song and then when the the

580
00:22:05,630 --> 00:22:03,720
the Republicans the right wing kind of

581
00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:05,640
co-opted the song and they even used it

582
00:22:09,409 --> 00:22:07,740
he got really pissed and he was fighting

583
00:22:11,570 --> 00:22:09,419
him and telling him no that's not what

584
00:22:13,970 --> 00:22:11,580
it's about you know it's about this guy

585
00:22:15,470 --> 00:22:13,980
and like forced to go should kill the

586
00:22:18,529 --> 00:22:15,480
yellow man kind of thing

587
00:22:21,409 --> 00:22:18,539
Ben in his older age and Bruce is older

588
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,419
he realized that maybe it's the greatest

589
00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:24,000
song that he ever wrote because it

590
00:22:30,529 --> 00:22:27,780
really encompasses all that all

591
00:22:34,250 --> 00:22:30,539
that horrible that we've done all

592
00:22:36,190 --> 00:22:34,260
the Abu ghraib and all the slavery

593
00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:36,200
and all the

594
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:40,980
911 and all of that and yet

595
00:22:47,810 --> 00:22:44,159
or still somewhat or we need to try and

596
00:22:49,549 --> 00:22:47,820
be that Beacon of light that light on

597
00:22:51,470 --> 00:22:49,559
the hill you know what I mean and maybe

598
00:22:55,850 --> 00:22:51,480
that's why we're talking today because

599
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:55,860
we care about what we what we can be not

600
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,520
what we default into not the the worst

601
00:23:05,870 --> 00:23:02,880
that we use in the weaponization of

602
00:23:08,330 --> 00:23:05,880
these things that we have and I just

603
00:23:10,909 --> 00:23:08,340
think that just like Springsteen came

604
00:23:13,490 --> 00:23:10,919
around to the idea that

605
00:23:17,330 --> 00:23:13,500
maybe that song is his greatest song

606
00:23:19,250 --> 00:23:17,340
because it is an embodiment of that we

607
00:23:20,810 --> 00:23:19,260
don't want to live in North Korea you

608
00:23:22,610 --> 00:23:20,820
know what I mean and that's what came up

609
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:22,620
in my interview with uh with Charlie

610
00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:25,200
Robinson who does an awesome job and was

611
00:23:30,350 --> 00:23:27,900
highly influenced by you know uh

612
00:23:31,730 --> 00:23:30,360
confessions of an economic Hitman but

613
00:23:34,130 --> 00:23:31,740
when you really think about that and you

614
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:34,140
go yeah they went we went over and we

615
00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:37,200
over uh Uganda by putting in a

616
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:38,900
billion dollar

617
00:23:44,210 --> 00:23:41,580
hydrogen Electric Plant in the middle of

618
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:44,220
the Jungle that they have no no place to

619
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:45,600
send the electricity

620
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:47,520
but we did it to snap the commies from

621
00:23:54,049 --> 00:23:50,400
getting there and at some point somebody

622
00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:54,059
sat down with somebody like you or I

623
00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:58,200
good heartfelt people and said look kid

624
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:01,260
I hate to tell you but it's you know

625
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:03,840
this way or that way

626
00:24:09,350 --> 00:24:06,720
Uganda is gonna go commie or Uganda is

627
00:24:12,610 --> 00:24:09,360
going to go with us you know which do

628
00:24:15,049 --> 00:24:12,620
you want and what are you willing to

629
00:24:18,169 --> 00:24:15,059
sacrifice maybe isn't the word but what

630
00:24:21,289 --> 00:24:18,179
are you willing to tolerate in terms of

631
00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:21,299
stretching your morals in order for us

632
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:22,440
to get there

633
00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:26,159
does any of that resonate with

634
00:24:33,470 --> 00:24:29,940
kind of the other side of the of the

635
00:24:35,630 --> 00:24:33,480
great reset well I think that I say this

636
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,640
in the book it's it's we don't know the

637
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:37,440
intent of each person involved we can

638
00:24:40,789 --> 00:24:39,179
try to guess but that's a separate

639
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,799
exercise to know what they whether

640
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,179
they're trying to enslave people or

641
00:24:44,810 --> 00:24:43,440
whether they mean well or whether

642
00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,820
they're being blackmailed we just don't

643
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:47,159
know the real forces unless you knew the

644
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:48,240
person well or unless you're inside

645
00:24:51,890 --> 00:24:49,260
their mind

646
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:51,900
so I I do think there probably are some

647
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:53,460
people who think yeah this is going to

648
00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:56,760
be uh it might harm some people to enact

649
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,460
X Y and Z measures but in the end it's

650
00:25:02,450 --> 00:25:01,440
going to be for the greater good and one

651
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:02,460
of the things I've been thinking about I

652
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:04,200
write about this in the book too there's

653
00:25:08,870 --> 00:25:07,320
a psychological incentive especially for

654
00:25:11,210 --> 00:25:08,880
people who think they're good and want

655
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:11,220
to be compassionate to ignore the

656
00:25:14,450 --> 00:25:13,020
instances in which they are not being

657
00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:14,460
compassionate because it would be too

658
00:25:18,830 --> 00:25:17,460
painful to acknowledge that and I think

659
00:25:20,210 --> 00:25:18,840
there's some cognitive dissonance that's

660
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:20,220
happening all over the place where

661
00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:21,780
people would have to admit that they not

662
00:25:25,130 --> 00:25:23,280
only were wrong but they were being not

663
00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:25,140
compassionate and for people who care so

664
00:25:27,529 --> 00:25:26,460
much about compassion that could be a

665
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,539
painful thing

666
00:25:33,049 --> 00:25:30,000
that's awesome Mark and you know what I

667
00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:33,059
think let's uh walk through that in

668
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,640
terms of the players now because one of

669
00:25:39,649 --> 00:25:37,679
the things that's kind of come up for me

670
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:39,659
that has really set this thing in a

671
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:42,179
different direction is you start with

672
00:25:48,350 --> 00:25:45,240
Klaus Schwab who's become this this meme

673
00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:48,360
who's become this ultimate villain for a

674
00:25:52,909 --> 00:25:50,220
lot of people and you get the feeling

675
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:52,919
that he didn't really see that coming he

676
00:25:57,350 --> 00:25:55,200
wasn't like super smart I mean about

677
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,360
that part of it about his Public Image

678
00:26:01,850 --> 00:26:00,240
and and the reveal to that is that uh

679
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:01,860
you will own nothing and you will be

680
00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:05,279
happy the worst marketing slogan ever I

681
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:07,260
mean it's there's a certain tone

682
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:10,799
deafness to the the the people who hang

683
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:13,620
out in Davos Switzerland and eat fifty

684
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,020
dollar hamburgers and think well gee you

685
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:18,480
know what's let's figure out what the

686
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,539
world needs from from this perspective

687
00:26:27,710 --> 00:26:24,000
let's talk about

688
00:26:29,710 --> 00:26:27,720
how you understand him as a as a person

689
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:29,720
and then we're going to also talk about

690
00:26:33,130 --> 00:26:32,159
Henry Kissinger because I think those

691
00:26:35,630 --> 00:26:33,140
two

692
00:26:37,490 --> 00:26:35,640
understanding them at this deeper level

693
00:26:39,830 --> 00:26:37,500
as human beings and the way that you

694
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:39,840
just said you know the plus is minuses

695
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,480
good bad complex people it's going to be

696
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,120
really really enlightening to to where

697
00:26:48,169 --> 00:26:46,799
we're going to take this I think okay

698
00:26:49,850 --> 00:26:48,179
well I'll give my perspective from

699
00:26:51,769 --> 00:26:49,860
having read the literature I know Johnny

700
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:51,779
vedmore has gone really deep into Cloud

701
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:53,279
Schwab's history to the extent that we

702
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:54,659
can because a lot of it's been scrubbed

703
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,799
so that makes it difficult too because

704
00:26:59,330 --> 00:26:57,120
we're trying to piece things together

705
00:27:02,450 --> 00:26:59,340
but I can understand how someone might

706
00:27:04,070 --> 00:27:02,460
read covid-19 the great reset and think

707
00:27:07,010 --> 00:27:04,080
it's benign

708
00:27:09,950 --> 00:27:07,020
because it doesn't come across as

709
00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:09,960
purely evil it's we want a more

710
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:11,340
compassionate world we want to do things

711
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:13,020
for the common good and therefore we

712
00:27:15,710 --> 00:27:14,100
need the return of big government

713
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,720
because government's going to help

714
00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:17,279
people we need more Global coordination

715
00:27:21,289 --> 00:27:19,320
or if you get into the next book The

716
00:27:23,390 --> 00:27:21,299
Great narrative well we need stakeholder

717
00:27:25,610 --> 00:27:23,400
capitalism we need to start controlling

718
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:25,620
how companies do things through ESG

719
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:28,200
environmental social governance and who

720
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,880
wouldn't want good better things for the

721
00:27:33,649 --> 00:27:31,440
environment better social and governance

722
00:27:35,570 --> 00:27:33,659
those things all sound really good it's

723
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:35,580
almost this this next level of analysis

724
00:27:38,149 --> 00:27:37,260
of seeing where it could go wrong seeing

725
00:27:39,470 --> 00:27:38,159
through

726
00:27:40,909 --> 00:27:39,480
maybe in this case it's not even

727
00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:40,919
deception who knows maybe he's not

728
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:42,299
trying to see maybe he literally thinks

729
00:27:46,370 --> 00:27:43,860
it is a good thing but just seeing that

730
00:27:48,529 --> 00:27:46,380
the downsides potentially of all this

731
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,539
and maybe from my own personal

732
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:50,400
experience of just having been in

733
00:27:54,110 --> 00:27:52,620
Silicon Valley in New York going to

734
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:54,120
Princeton for undergrad and knowing a

735
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,200
lot of people who have been in high

736
00:27:59,870 --> 00:27:56,960
level positions just throughout my life

737
00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:59,880
and like before I got before I even

738
00:28:02,690 --> 00:28:01,140
started writing about Consciousness I'd

739
00:28:04,610 --> 00:28:02,700
heard about Davos

740
00:28:06,289 --> 00:28:04,620
you know six plus years ago I'd heard

741
00:28:09,769 --> 00:28:06,299
about people going there and it was this

742
00:28:10,970 --> 00:28:09,779
idea of you're an influential person and

743
00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,980
this is a place where people are going

744
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:12,840
to help the world so I think a lot of

745
00:28:16,909 --> 00:28:14,760
people who are going there are genuinely

746
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:16,919
have that mentality and it's possible

747
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,720
that there's some part of Klaus Schwab

748
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,640
that feels that way too and like you're

749
00:28:23,930 --> 00:28:21,840
saying Alex there might be a tone

750
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:23,940
deafness of people who are just part of

751
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,880
a certain type of culture who who think

752
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,080
they're doing good and they literally

753
00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:30,240
can't see the downside so I'm giving a

754
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:31,080
very

755
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:32,100
um

756
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,020
been the most benevolent picture you

757
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:36,240
probably can give right there and and

758
00:28:41,330 --> 00:28:38,460
that's not I'm not coming at it from

759
00:28:44,450 --> 00:28:41,340
that angle because I don't I mean I

760
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:44,460
think those guys back to your earlier

761
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:46,559
point and you said it beautifully so I

762
00:28:50,269 --> 00:28:48,840
won't try and recapture it it becomes so

763
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:50,279
ingrained in their thinking of course

764
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:51,900
they're being deceptive of course

765
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:54,539
they're being elitist of course they

766
00:28:59,210 --> 00:28:56,640
think that the Sheep need to be herded

767
00:29:02,029 --> 00:28:59,220
and that that's what all these people

768
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:02,039
are you know it's like they're so beyond

769
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:05,580
that it's second nature to them I think

770
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:08,460
it's more helpful that maybe to switch

771
00:29:14,649 --> 00:29:12,960
to Kissinger because I think you can

772
00:29:17,930 --> 00:29:14,659
always understand

773
00:29:20,450 --> 00:29:17,940
Klaus Schwab but understanding Henry

774
00:29:23,570 --> 00:29:20,460
Kissinger that's what I came away with

775
00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:23,580
after talking to johnnyved more and

776
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,860
doing all my own research into Henry

777
00:29:30,350 --> 00:29:27,600
Kissinger because

778
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:30,360
you know when when if if you go look at

779
00:29:35,149 --> 00:29:33,179
the conspiracy kind of culture that

780
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,159
we're in that you and I kind of mix in

781
00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:37,679
Henry Kissinger evil one of the most

782
00:29:44,210 --> 00:29:41,640
evil men war criminal evil evil evil

783
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:44,220
go look at that guy's background

784
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:46,799
go look at some of the touch points

785
00:29:50,690 --> 00:29:49,260
first one I'd lay on the table

786
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:50,700
Crystal knock

787
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,640
the Nazis who if you understand the

788
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:58,559
history that the Nazis just kind of

789
00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,899
stumble into control they never win an

790
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:03,120
election they're just kind of there and

791
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:05,580
the economy goes totally to crap and

792
00:30:09,049 --> 00:30:07,020
they're like they look around like all

793
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,059
right all right and then they get in

794
00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:11,520
they immediately have the plan they

795
00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:13,020
immediately have the world economic

796
00:30:17,690 --> 00:30:15,240
Forum kind of planned and they implement

797
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:17,700
it to the hilt right off the bat first

798
00:30:21,590 --> 00:30:19,919
30 days boom boom boom boom they're

799
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:21,600
laying it down so if anyone thinks that

800
00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:23,220
this stuff doesn't happen and a few

801
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:25,320
people can't do it look to that but

802
00:30:29,450 --> 00:30:27,480
Crystal knock if you don't remember your

803
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,460
history is when they went and they

804
00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:31,440
finally you know are targeting the the

805
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:33,240
Jews which is a crazy thing but that'll

806
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,820
come up again but they go and they just

807
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:38,159
start Crystal knock is uh Crystal's

808
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:41,159
glass and night night clinic go break

809
00:30:46,430 --> 00:30:45,000
all these Jewish businesses and they you

810
00:30:48,529 --> 00:30:46,440
know like you've seen in the movies they

811
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:48,539
put the big star David on they say get

812
00:30:53,870 --> 00:30:50,700
out of here let's kick the Jews out now

813
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:53,880
now it's becoming real at a level that

814
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:56,700
even if you could kind of pretend like

815
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:59,220
hey maybe we can get along here if

816
00:31:02,810 --> 00:31:01,200
you're Jewish at this point you can't

817
00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:02,820
and that's what happens to Henry

818
00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:04,440
Kissinger's parents

819
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:07,020
because three days either after before I

820
00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:09,059
can't remember Crystal knock they go oh

821
00:31:12,710 --> 00:31:11,220
my God we have to leave we have to leave

822
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:12,720
everything

823
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:15,000
that we've accumulated our wealth our

824
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,740
business everything we've got to leave

825
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,480
it all behind just to get the hell out

826
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,360
of here and they get out of there

827
00:31:25,490 --> 00:31:23,279
wind up in New York

828
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:25,500
and there's Henry Kissinger you can

829
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:27,720
imagine this he's a kid he's a teenager

830
00:31:31,549 --> 00:31:29,700
and he's walking now he's walking on the

831
00:31:32,990 --> 00:31:31,559
other side of the street because this is

832
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:33,000
kind of the same if you walk on the

833
00:31:36,409 --> 00:31:34,500
wrong side of the street and you're

834
00:31:38,690 --> 00:31:36,419
Jewish you get the beat out of you

835
00:31:40,990 --> 00:31:38,700
buy the other kids right he doesn't

836
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:41,000
speak the language he can't do anything

837
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:44,760
socially and but he's in America and

838
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:47,700
he's glad that he's away from what would

839
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:50,460
have been ultimate destruction

840
00:31:57,710 --> 00:31:55,140
so he joins the army and he eats ham for

841
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:57,720
Uncle Sam which is an expression that's

842
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:00,960
put forth by a lot of Jews who you know

843
00:32:08,090 --> 00:32:04,140
say they kind of became assimilated into

844
00:32:09,409 --> 00:32:08,100
the U.S Culture by going into the army

845
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:09,419
where everyone's just kind of treated

846
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:11,100
hey here's I don't want to hear about

847
00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:13,020
anything here's your dinner just eat it

848
00:32:16,909 --> 00:32:14,100
kind of thing

849
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:16,919
he is 21 years old

850
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:19,860
he goes over and they put a rifle in his

851
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:23,279
hand and he's fighting Nazis and he's

852
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:24,240
got

853
00:32:34,490 --> 00:32:30,720
say he's Jewish which means

854
00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:34,500
if he's ever captured it is immediately

855
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,080
over right I mean it is immediately over

856
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,960
for that guy but he's a brilliant guy

857
00:32:44,930 --> 00:32:42,480
and he's recognized this that and he

858
00:32:48,889 --> 00:32:44,940
pretty quickly becomes

859
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:48,899
put in this intelligence role inside the

860
00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,880
Army and in the Battle of the Bulge he's

861
00:32:54,350 --> 00:32:52,500
kind of brought to the headquarters and

862
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:54,360
said hey help us understand when these

863
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:55,740
Germans come in you speak the language

864
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:58,080
and we know you're loyal to us

865
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,000
let's figure this stuff out and then

866
00:33:04,669 --> 00:33:02,480
later that becomes kind of a project

867
00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:04,679
pay-per-clip thing which I think he

868
00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:07,260
eventually evolves into a real project

869
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:10,020
paper clip role because he doesn't leave

870
00:33:17,810 --> 00:33:13,799
Germany until 1947.

871
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:17,820
what does that tell you 1947 so now he's

872
00:33:22,250 --> 00:33:20,100
going in he knows the culture he can

873
00:33:25,070 --> 00:33:22,260
speak the language perfectly and he's

874
00:33:27,289 --> 00:33:25,080
meeting and he's sorting through not

875
00:33:29,570 --> 00:33:27,299
just who are the good Nazis and who are

876
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:29,580
the bad Nazis because we never really

877
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:31,980
cared about that he's sorting through

878
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:35,519
who are the Nazis we can use and who are

879
00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:38,220
the Nazis we won't be able to use who

880
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:40,380
are the Nazis who are even the worst or

881
00:33:44,169 --> 00:33:43,019
the worst but we don't want the Russians

882
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:44,179
to get him

883
00:33:51,049 --> 00:33:46,559
undoubtedly this is the role that he

884
00:33:54,529 --> 00:33:51,059
plays and this informs this guy we think

885
00:33:57,289 --> 00:33:54,539
is so evil because he overthrows

886
00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,299
virtually every government Central and

887
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,320
South America because he implements this

888
00:34:04,970 --> 00:34:03,120
nuclear destruction Mass nuclear

889
00:34:07,250 --> 00:34:04,980
destruction kind of thing because he's

890
00:34:09,409 --> 00:34:07,260
kind of Ruthless with foreign policy

891
00:34:11,930 --> 00:34:09,419
because he's all the things that you

892
00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:11,940
talked about in terms of lacking in

893
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:13,139
compassion

894
00:34:16,669 --> 00:34:15,839
but when you talk to the guy he goes no

895
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:16,679
man

896
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:20,280
you don't get it I walked into the death

897
00:34:25,550 --> 00:34:21,599
camp

898
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:25,560
I saw it there and I saw the people that

899
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:28,800
did it and I saw the results and I know

900
00:34:35,690 --> 00:34:32,159
how bad it can get and I know what we're

901
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:35,700
fighting for so you can argue that

902
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:39,080
he forgets the true

903
00:34:45,290 --> 00:34:41,940
benevolence the true compassion the true

904
00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:45,300
love that is behind that

905
00:34:52,250 --> 00:34:48,080
but I think understanding

906
00:34:56,690 --> 00:34:52,260
that as that is America this guy

907
00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:56,700
embodies America and I I'll stop there

908
00:35:02,210 --> 00:34:59,880
but it's interesting to note he is the

909
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:02,220
most influential guy or one of the most

910
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:05,339
influential guys in Claus Schwab's life

911
00:35:12,109 --> 00:35:08,880
other than maybe his father give me your

912
00:35:14,990 --> 00:35:12,119
understanding of how we relate that to

913
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:15,000
this situation we find ourselves in

914
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,740
well if I were to summarize the

915
00:35:21,770 --> 00:35:18,480
mentality that I'm hearing you describe

916
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:21,780
it's that the ends justify the means and

917
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:23,940
that can get to a point where the the

918
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:27,119
underlying benevolence is lost

919
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,020
and it can be it can be used as a

920
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:33,119
rationale to do things that are

921
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:35,160
horrific in some ways but the end

922
00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:37,740
results because from an elitist

923
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:39,540
perspective we know what's best for

924
00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:41,820
others and therefore we can sacrifice a

925
00:35:46,370 --> 00:35:45,180
bit here does the end ever justify the

926
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,380
means

927
00:35:50,089 --> 00:35:48,180
good question

928
00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:50,099
I don't I don't even think about it that

929
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:51,740
way myself so I'm having trouble

930
00:35:57,050 --> 00:35:54,660
answering it I start from the lens of

931
00:35:58,670 --> 00:35:57,060
from the spiritual lens of who are we

932
00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:58,680
why are we here and then we should act

933
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,820
accordingly

934
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,680
rather than

935
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:03,780
the pers I think the end justify the

936
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:05,400
means has

937
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:08,160
a bit of a lack of intellectual humility

938
00:36:13,310 --> 00:36:10,680
built into it it's the belief that we

939
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:13,320
know what's best what result is best and

940
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:14,640
therefore

941
00:36:17,089 --> 00:36:16,200
however we need to get there we can get

942
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:17,099
there

943
00:36:23,210 --> 00:36:19,980
but Mark you you live I was thinking

944
00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:23,220
about that just this morning I was

945
00:36:27,530 --> 00:36:24,599
walking the dog

946
00:36:30,109 --> 00:36:27,540
beautiful day Southern California

947
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:30,119
I'm down on the beach I have an

948
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:33,300
incredibly beautiful life style I have a

949
00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:35,520
great family I have so many wonderful

950
00:36:40,250 --> 00:36:36,660
things

951
00:36:42,950 --> 00:36:40,260
if someone really sat me down and said

952
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:42,960
bro Crow up

953
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:45,440
you don't want to give any of that up

954
00:36:52,730 --> 00:36:49,260
here's what's necessary to maintain

955
00:36:55,730 --> 00:36:52,740
your lifestyle Drive 30 miles South Alex

956
00:36:57,290 --> 00:36:55,740
go to Tijuana do you want that you want

957
00:37:00,650 --> 00:36:57,300
that is that what you want

958
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:00,660
oh man put me back put me back on the

959
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:02,760
beach in Del Mar good point

960
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:04,200
it's like where do you draw the line

961
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:06,240
with these sorts of things it comes down

962
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:07,920
to individual judgment ultimately and

963
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,119
then you get into really spiritual

964
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,520
philosophical questions about Free Will

965
00:37:14,690 --> 00:37:12,720
and where you make your decisions

966
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:14,700
ultimately

967
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:16,140
um and then how that

968
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:18,960
that then spins into a discussion of

969
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,870
which goes back to this notion of

970
00:37:26,750 --> 00:37:25,920
compassion with discernment that's where

971
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:26,760
I land

972
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:28,140
that you want to be compassionate and

973
00:37:31,550 --> 00:37:29,640
then you have to figure out

974
00:37:34,849 --> 00:37:31,560
where to go from there

975
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:34,859
by your own judgment and it also gets

976
00:37:39,050 --> 00:37:37,740
back to to the weaponization word that

977
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:39,060
you used

978
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:42,420
because we'll tolerate a little bit of

979
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:43,980
weaponization

980
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,160
but I actually think that this is the

981
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:51,599
dialogue

982
00:37:56,690 --> 00:37:53,820
that you and I are seeking

983
00:37:58,609 --> 00:37:56,700
not just for ourselves but this is the

984
00:38:02,690 --> 00:37:58,619
collective dialogue I think we're

985
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,700
seeking we understand that America is

986
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:05,280
flawed it's not perfect and that it's

987
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:07,140
never been perfect

988
00:38:11,810 --> 00:38:08,520
but that

989
00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:11,820
it's our job to be that voice and say

990
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:14,520
you know what we're going to fight for

991
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:18,900
the best we can be in a in a compromised

992
00:38:23,569 --> 00:38:21,359
situation that we find ourselves in in a

993
00:38:25,490 --> 00:38:23,579
world of complex individuals with

994
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:25,500
different motives and all the rest of

995
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:27,960
that and you know you want to talk about

996
00:38:34,490 --> 00:38:30,839
uh globalization and you have some valid

997
00:38:36,829 --> 00:38:34,500
agenda items great but you know as you

998
00:38:38,750 --> 00:38:36,839
and I talked about on the last

999
00:38:39,710 --> 00:38:38,760
the last time we spoke one of the things

1000
00:38:41,810 --> 00:38:39,720
I really

1001
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,820
like and respect about you is we kind of

1002
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,680
came down to this truth thing and it's

1003
00:38:48,290 --> 00:38:45,200
like you know

1004
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,300
unfortunately you can't really mess with

1005
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:50,640
the truth and get where you want to be

1006
00:38:56,210 --> 00:38:54,599
you can't say you know I I I'll just

1007
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:56,220
control the narrative people wouldn't

1008
00:39:01,550 --> 00:38:58,560
really understand people can't handle it

1009
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:01,560
none of that ultimately Works does it no

1010
00:39:04,730 --> 00:39:03,240
because our decisions are based on the

1011
00:39:07,130 --> 00:39:04,740
information that we have and if the

1012
00:39:08,589 --> 00:39:07,140
information is not comprehensive then we

1013
00:39:10,849 --> 00:39:08,599
might make

1014
00:39:12,290 --> 00:39:10,859
sub-optimal decisions and that's where

1015
00:39:14,270 --> 00:39:12,300
the truth comes in and that's where I

1016
00:39:16,010 --> 00:39:14,280
mean my journey is it's based around

1017
00:39:17,870 --> 00:39:16,020
that trying to understand what's

1018
00:39:19,730 --> 00:39:17,880
actually going on in the world and

1019
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:19,740
physically and metaphysically because

1020
00:39:23,569 --> 00:39:22,260
once I know have a better sense to the

1021
00:39:25,730 --> 00:39:23,579
answers to those questions then I can

1022
00:39:27,890 --> 00:39:25,740
know what to do and what my place is

1023
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:27,900
but then on a micro level how do I make

1024
00:39:32,270 --> 00:39:29,339
decisions and how do I think about these

1025
00:39:33,410 --> 00:39:32,280
trade-offs of of like compassion with

1026
00:39:35,630 --> 00:39:33,420
discernment

1027
00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:35,640
so one of the

1028
00:39:39,589 --> 00:39:38,339
issues in researching all this stuff and

1029
00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:39,599
even talking about it is that we're

1030
00:39:43,010 --> 00:39:40,680
working with incomplete information

1031
00:39:44,990 --> 00:39:43,020
that's just part of life so we're trying

1032
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,000
to draw inferences

1033
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:47,520
but we don't know everything

1034
00:39:51,710 --> 00:39:50,400
and maybe even more troubling where we

1035
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,720
started because I don't want to just

1036
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:53,520
paint over this

1037
00:39:58,190 --> 00:39:55,320
what we do know

1038
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:58,200
is really really troubling right because

1039
00:40:04,310 --> 00:40:00,300
the information that we that we do have

1040
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,320
coming out of it is pretty darn scary

1041
00:40:09,710 --> 00:40:06,240
and stupid the thing that I always come

1042
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:09,720
back to because science I think does

1043
00:40:14,930 --> 00:40:12,660
provide a shining light through this in

1044
00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:14,940
some ways but the light is being

1045
00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:18,780
obscured so the the pillars of the reset

1046
00:40:25,930 --> 00:40:22,980
are two things that stand on compromised

1047
00:40:28,670 --> 00:40:25,940
science junk science fake science

1048
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:28,680
misrepresented science one is global

1049
00:40:35,810 --> 00:40:32,579
warming which if we have to explain to

1050
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,820
you now what a sham it is it's you got

1051
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:38,400
to go do the research but I'll tell you

1052
00:40:42,530 --> 00:40:39,420
this

1053
00:40:44,510 --> 00:40:42,540
put some ice in a glass and then sit

1054
00:40:49,310 --> 00:40:44,520
there and see that the water level rises

1055
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:49,320
and then go ask chat GPT the new AI

1056
00:40:56,210 --> 00:40:53,339
Overlord what is the sea level rise in

1057
00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:56,220
the last hundred years in Boston Los

1058
00:41:03,170 --> 00:40:59,099
Angeles Miami all of them

1059
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:03,180
virtually none so there I went ahead I

1060
00:41:07,069 --> 00:41:05,220
couldn't resist because people still

1061
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:07,079
think you know still think global

1062
00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:08,640
warming is a real thing they even think

1063
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:09,960
global warming is a real thing when

1064
00:41:15,470 --> 00:41:12,900
we've had 30 years of global warming

1065
00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:15,480
models that have completely failed the

1066
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,780
point being that you and I are leery

1067
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,680
right off the bat because the deception

1068
00:41:27,530 --> 00:41:24,720
begins their Cornerstone elements to

1069
00:41:29,630 --> 00:41:27,540
their whole program are deceptive global

1070
00:41:32,329 --> 00:41:29,640
warming and the other is the efficacy

1071
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,339
and safety of vaccines which has been

1072
00:41:37,849 --> 00:41:35,040
completely dispelled I mean even their

1073
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:37,859
own data is coming back now so if those

1074
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:40,200
are the cornerstones that are really

1075
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:43,760
advancing this from a scientific basis

1076
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:46,619
man that's really scary isn't it right

1077
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,000
so if we go back to this idea of

1078
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,680
compassion with discernment we're

1079
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:51,119
talking about discernment right now and

1080
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,680
a lot of people's discernment is based

1081
00:41:56,690 --> 00:41:54,480
on facts that they believe to be true

1082
00:41:58,010 --> 00:41:56,700
certain assumptions and where those

1083
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:58,020
assumptions coming from and why are they

1084
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,300
to be trusted whether whether it's with

1085
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:02,880
regard to climate change or vaccines or

1086
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:04,920
Consciousness science all these things

1087
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:06,300
were being presented with information

1088
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,760
where if you investigate it beyond the

1089
00:42:12,890 --> 00:42:10,560
surface level it doesn't there seems to

1090
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,900
be a lot more in the story consistently

1091
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:15,240
and this is where it is very much an

1092
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:16,619
information battle the more I look at

1093
00:42:20,030 --> 00:42:18,660
this because you get good people who

1094
00:42:21,650 --> 00:42:20,040
will support something that's not good

1095
00:42:23,690 --> 00:42:21,660
in the end because they're using

1096
00:42:25,490 --> 00:42:23,700
assumptions that aren't accurate I I

1097
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:25,500
find myself right now in a more

1098
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:27,000
pessimistic State than I have been

1099
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,240
previously because of this very issue

1100
00:42:34,430 --> 00:42:32,640
of good people who I don't see looking

1101
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:34,440
past the data that they're presented

1102
00:42:40,849 --> 00:42:37,560
with exactly so you know a few episodes

1103
00:42:42,290 --> 00:42:40,859
ago I interviewed Dr Bernardo Castro and

1104
00:42:45,230 --> 00:42:42,300
I think you and I have talked about this

1105
00:42:48,170 --> 00:42:45,240
fantastic guy on the Consciousness issue

1106
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,180
one of the most clear thinkers and

1107
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:50,880
writers on it completely shatters the

1108
00:42:55,870 --> 00:42:53,220
existing materialistic Paradigm which is

1109
00:42:57,890 --> 00:42:55,880
also totally a part of this

1110
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:57,900
transhumanism agenda which is a

1111
00:43:01,730 --> 00:42:59,640
significant part of the Great reset so

1112
00:43:04,370 --> 00:43:01,740
that does fit in but then you pull

1113
00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:04,380
Bernardo over here and he's been totally

1114
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:06,839
sucked into and he's a science guy he

1115
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:09,000
should know better he's totally sucked

1116
00:43:15,410 --> 00:43:12,300
into the climate thing and as you as you

1117
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,420
just said it's really really troubling

1118
00:43:19,130 --> 00:43:17,520
because we understand that you and I

1119
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,140
especially because we're willing to go

1120
00:43:23,150 --> 00:43:21,599
and look at the conspiratorial side we

1121
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:23,160
understand mind control we understand

1122
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:25,380
Mass mind control we understand what it

1123
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:27,960
can do to large groups and you say wow

1124
00:43:34,849 --> 00:43:32,220
it has penetrated this science Community

1125
00:43:36,410 --> 00:43:34,859
all the way up to the top where they

1126
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:36,420
can't see it and even when you just give

1127
00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:39,300
them basic facts they just cannot

1128
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:41,099
process it in the same way that we

1129
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:43,560
always say oh you know the normies can't

1130
00:43:49,069 --> 00:43:46,079
see it it's like no man now it's like

1131
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:49,079
some of the top science guys can't see

1132
00:43:52,609 --> 00:43:50,460
it you can't have an intelligent

1133
00:43:55,130 --> 00:43:52,619
conversation about this about climate

1134
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:55,140
change I just heard Alexa Friedman just

1135
00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:58,680
did a four hour debate on climate

1136
00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:01,380
and it wasn't a debate he tried to make

1137
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:02,760
it a debate at the beginning he goes

1138
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,140
okay well you know there's some people

1139
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,660
or you know I kind of think it's a

1140
00:44:10,010 --> 00:44:08,160
little bit alarmist on one side and

1141
00:44:11,329 --> 00:44:10,020
there's this is their middle ground he

1142
00:44:14,809 --> 00:44:11,339
hands it over to a guy from The New York

1143
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:14,819
Times he goes oh no no no it's

1144
00:44:20,569 --> 00:44:18,000
there's no debate there's no scientific

1145
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:20,579
debate about climate it's

1146
00:44:25,010 --> 00:44:22,920
how could there be no scientific debate

1147
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:25,020
the technology for measuring the climate

1148
00:44:30,589 --> 00:44:26,760
has changed radically in the last 20

1149
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:30,599
years how can you say that this

1150
00:44:36,650 --> 00:44:34,020
this is what's troubling to me too as

1151
00:44:40,670 --> 00:44:36,660
you just said because it's hard to see

1152
00:44:43,309 --> 00:44:40,680
how we get out of that what do you think

1153
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:43,319
so two things come up for me one is the

1154
00:44:46,430 --> 00:44:44,940
fact that there are in my own journey

1155
00:44:49,069 --> 00:44:46,440
and probably for others too there are

1156
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:49,079
multiple Paradigm shifts starting out as

1157
00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:51,060
a complete I'll call myself Normie but I

1158
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,260
wasn't even

1159
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:54,480
I didn't even have an enormy opinion I

1160
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,440
just didn't care about anything other

1161
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:57,119
than like what I was focused on in my

1162
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:58,380
job I wasn't thinking about the world

1163
00:45:01,790 --> 00:45:00,180
comprehensively and I did have a

1164
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:01,800
materialist perspective I thought life

1165
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:03,420
was random and meaningless biological

1166
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:05,040
robots in a meaningless Universe I

1167
00:45:08,030 --> 00:45:06,240
thought that's what science was teaching

1168
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,040
us so my first Paradigm Shift was okay

1169
00:45:11,930 --> 00:45:10,079
that's wrong we live in a meaningful

1170
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:11,940
Universe we're not just biological

1171
00:45:16,130 --> 00:45:14,460
robots post-materialism but that is

1172
00:45:17,390 --> 00:45:16,140
inadequate that's sort of like the

1173
00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:17,400
compassion part because once you get

1174
00:45:20,569 --> 00:45:18,839
there post materialists you see

1175
00:45:22,309 --> 00:45:20,579
interconnectivity you see love okay

1176
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,319
great that's a huge part of it you get

1177
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,000
to non-duality I think pretty easily

1178
00:45:28,250 --> 00:45:25,920
then the second paradigm shift is

1179
00:45:30,050 --> 00:45:28,260
understanding that the deception

1180
00:45:32,750 --> 00:45:30,060
that you've been covering so well in

1181
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:32,760
your show and that's its own rabbit hole

1182
00:45:35,510 --> 00:45:34,260
but you got to have both Paradigm shifts

1183
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:35,520
and maybe there are others too and there

1184
00:45:39,530 --> 00:45:36,960
are lots of sub Paradigm ships within

1185
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,540
those and lots of things to discern and

1186
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,760
that's where my pessimism is coming in

1187
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:43,560
I'm seeing one paradigm shift or the

1188
00:45:47,210 --> 00:45:45,180
other I'm more focused on the the

1189
00:45:48,829 --> 00:45:47,220
post-materialist Paradigm people who got

1190
00:45:50,569 --> 00:45:48,839
that down then don't see the deception

1191
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,579
because those people are really good and

1192
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:53,099
I know they mean so well and how how

1193
00:45:56,450 --> 00:45:54,660
much good they could do if they saw past

1194
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:56,460
some of the deception and there's a

1195
00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:59,880
there's a a psychological hurdle so I've

1196
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,380
been thinking back to the interview that

1197
00:46:07,309 --> 00:46:03,839
was done in the 1980s With Yuri besmanov

1198
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:07,319
allegedly an ex KGB guy I think there's

1199
00:46:10,849 --> 00:46:09,180
been some dispute about his history so I

1200
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:10,859
haven't written about in my books but he

1201
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,660
says some things that I ca that seem to

1202
00:46:16,910 --> 00:46:14,160
be right and he said it's called

1203
00:46:18,589 --> 00:46:16,920
ideological subversion you get people to

1204
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:18,599
a point where they're so brainwashed

1205
00:46:21,710 --> 00:46:19,980
into looking at things a certain way

1206
00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:21,720
that they literally cannot see the other

1207
00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:23,400
side no matter how much data you present

1208
00:46:26,809 --> 00:46:24,960
them with I'm paraphrasing so an

1209
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:26,819
interview I heard a while ago

1210
00:46:32,569 --> 00:46:29,760
but that is what I'm seeing there is a

1211
00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:32,579
psychological block and there there's

1212
00:46:37,730 --> 00:46:35,099
too much cognitive dissonance almost to

1213
00:46:39,170 --> 00:46:37,740
see through it I I experience this with

1214
00:46:40,370 --> 00:46:39,180
the Consciousness stuff you've done a

1215
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:40,380
really good job covering this on your

1216
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,119
show of people you present them with the

1217
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:44,160
side data the statistical analysis

1218
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:46,020
doesn't matter they're not going to see

1219
00:46:49,609 --> 00:46:47,880
through it but that goes along with this

1220
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:49,619
deception Paradigm too that no matter

1221
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:53,400
what you present they'll find a way to

1222
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:54,720
um it's known as motivated reasoning

1223
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,579
that's one of the psychological terms to

1224
00:47:01,010 --> 00:46:58,800
justify their position so let's take a

1225
00:47:02,150 --> 00:47:01,020
vaccination as an example I mean you

1226
00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:02,160
mentioned some of the data that's coming

1227
00:47:06,829 --> 00:47:04,980
out Dr Naomi wolf and her her group of

1228
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,839
many volunteers recently published a

1229
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:07,680
book

1230
00:47:13,370 --> 00:47:10,800
uh Pfizer wanted or the FDA wanted uh

1231
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:13,380
Pfizer's documents to be hidden for 75

1232
00:47:16,609 --> 00:47:14,819
years and the court said no you've got

1233
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:16,619
to release these documents so Dr Wolf

1234
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:18,540
and her her colleagues that analyzed the

1235
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:20,520
data it's now out in ebook and they show

1236
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,260
there's all sorts of stuff that was not

1237
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:24,480
told to the public so at the very least

1238
00:47:28,609 --> 00:47:26,220
you didn't have fully informed consent

1239
00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:28,619
and there's a lot of worse stuff there

1240
00:47:32,690 --> 00:47:30,900
um but with regard to vaccines people

1241
00:47:34,730 --> 00:47:32,700
could say well yeah the vaccines came

1242
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:34,740
out and Yeah there have been some side

1243
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:36,480
effects but look we're kind of out of

1244
00:47:40,010 --> 00:47:38,339
covet they can do this correlation

1245
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:40,020
causation thing and like yeah we needed

1246
00:47:43,790 --> 00:47:42,240
the vaccines that's one example out of

1247
00:47:45,410 --> 00:47:43,800
many you can always try to create a

1248
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:45,420
rationale and that's what I see happen

1249
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:47,400
it's like this mental gymnastics that

1250
00:47:51,410 --> 00:47:50,160
always occurs to try to try to remove

1251
00:47:52,849 --> 00:47:51,420
the possibility that we're being

1252
00:47:54,770 --> 00:47:52,859
actively deceived

1253
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:54,780
there's so many points I'd love to talk

1254
00:48:01,309 --> 00:47:59,880
about the the post materialist kind of a

1255
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:01,319
deception there because you've put your

1256
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:03,240
finger on something that I I never get a

1257
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:04,440
chance to talk about we'll have to do it

1258
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:06,480
now but you know what's kind of funny to

1259
00:48:09,650 --> 00:48:07,680
me is

1260
00:48:10,970 --> 00:48:09,660
and that's where I think Lex Friedman is

1261
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,980
a really interesting guy and I think his

1262
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:12,240
heart is totally in the right place but

1263
00:48:15,950 --> 00:48:13,680
I think he's totally missing the point

1264
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,960
but they're tying it to AI now you know

1265
00:48:21,770 --> 00:48:18,720
again and again it's like oh it's great

1266
00:48:25,130 --> 00:48:21,780
you know they're you can be non-dual and

1267
00:48:27,770 --> 00:48:25,140
you can get past materialism and it's AI

1268
00:48:30,349 --> 00:48:27,780
because that's you know and it's like

1269
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:30,359
bro you come out miss the whole boat

1270
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,000
there the point is that Consciousness is

1271
00:48:38,930 --> 00:48:36,000
is proven to be outside of space-time

1272
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:38,940
silicone computers AI is by definition

1273
00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:41,940
in space-time you're trying to make one

1274
00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:43,619
of these leaps you're trying to do one

1275
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:46,740
of these global warming thing just say

1276
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:49,319
it and never have to show any any reason

1277
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:51,540
or Logic for it you know like I just

1278
00:48:54,829 --> 00:48:52,920
think it's

1279
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:54,839
it's really really

1280
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:57,660
strange to see the game

1281
00:49:01,190 --> 00:49:00,000
the game it's played and then I don't

1282
00:49:03,230 --> 00:49:01,200
know if we're gonna be able to spin all

1283
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:03,240
this back together because all that

1284
00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:05,040
relates back to me to the very first

1285
00:49:12,370 --> 00:49:08,339
point you made in this section about

1286
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:12,380
what is behind that what is the

1287
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:17,160
satanic luciferian Promethean

1288
00:49:24,829 --> 00:49:21,060
drive to control to control to what to

1289
00:49:28,250 --> 00:49:24,839
control to dominate for only for the

1290
00:49:31,370 --> 00:49:28,260
sake of that you know that's

1291
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:31,380
that's what I think really troubles you

1292
00:49:35,630 --> 00:49:33,900
and I about this from an evil standpoint

1293
00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:35,640
and I think

1294
00:49:39,950 --> 00:49:38,040
for many people it's hard to relate to

1295
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,960
how troubled we are because many people

1296
00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:41,520
I'm fighting have not looked at the

1297
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:43,380
really really dark stuff if you listen

1298
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:45,060
to the Survivor stories you interviewed

1299
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:46,440
Annika Lucas she has a new book out

1300
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:48,180
which when I read these Survivor stories

1301
00:49:50,809 --> 00:49:49,440
for some reason I can't stop reading

1302
00:49:52,550 --> 00:49:50,819
them they're complete page Turners even

1303
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,560
though it's horrific like you just want

1304
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:54,960
to understand this dark mentality and

1305
00:49:58,190 --> 00:49:56,520
that's why I start I probably overshot

1306
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,200
the evil in the beginning because that's

1307
00:50:02,329 --> 00:50:00,240
where my mind goes we have some extreme

1308
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:02,339
examples of the most evil at least I've

1309
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:04,260
come across of wanting to violate

1310
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,359
another human or another living being to

1311
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:08,160
just torture something where does that

1312
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,900
come from it seems so counter to this

1313
00:50:13,609 --> 00:50:11,700
benevolence so trying to understand

1314
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,619
where that comes from because it exists

1315
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:15,599
and that's the key that it exists even

1316
00:50:19,609 --> 00:50:17,339
though we're in a non-dual reality there

1317
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,619
is this dark light too we can't ignore

1318
00:50:23,809 --> 00:50:21,599
that so

1319
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:23,819
and just interject because I want you to

1320
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,500
pick up in this as you pointed out and

1321
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:27,359
this is like so important and then we'll

1322
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:30,420
tie it back to uh Klaus Schwab it's you

1323
00:50:35,329 --> 00:50:32,579
want to trace the history on this this

1324
00:50:38,030 --> 00:50:35,339
goes way back man yeah this ain't no uh

1325
00:50:41,450 --> 00:50:38,040
Nazis invented it kind of thing no no no

1326
00:50:43,550 --> 00:50:41,460
no no it goes Way Way Back

1327
00:50:46,430 --> 00:50:43,560
yeah I mean there's stories about

1328
00:50:47,690 --> 00:50:46,440
sacrifice in the Bible the Aztecs and

1329
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:47,700
then if you want to look at some of the

1330
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:49,800
scriptures the nag hamadi scriptures my

1331
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:51,420
mind keeps going back to those so these

1332
00:50:55,549 --> 00:50:53,880
were found in 1945 in a jar in Egypt

1333
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:55,559
bound books that were written in the

1334
00:50:59,150 --> 00:50:57,059
second third fourth Century A.D

1335
00:51:01,490 --> 00:50:59,160
approximately translated to English in

1336
00:51:02,930 --> 00:51:01,500
the late 1970s to somewhat new and they

1337
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,940
talk about origin stories they talk

1338
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:04,079
about a lot of other stuff too with

1339
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:06,059
regard to Jesus and things like that but

1340
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:08,220
I've honed in On the Origin stories of

1341
00:51:10,430 --> 00:51:09,240
like you know because I want to

1342
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:10,440
understand what are we doing here and so

1343
00:51:14,030 --> 00:51:12,660
it's interesting to see oh wow they

1344
00:51:15,770 --> 00:51:14,040
um these were heretical teachings

1345
00:51:17,329 --> 00:51:15,780
apparently the the people who believed

1346
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:17,339
in it had to hide this stuff in a jar

1347
00:51:20,990 --> 00:51:19,619
why did they have to hide it so that it

1348
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:21,000
goes something like this my

1349
00:51:24,049 --> 00:51:22,440
understanding of some of the stories and

1350
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:24,059
so there's the secret Gospel of John

1351
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:25,800
there's another one called on the origin

1352
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:27,300
of the world and another called the

1353
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,160
nature of the rulers and they talk about

1354
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,680
a similar cosmology that there was one

1355
00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:34,319
so Oneness and to me that aligns with my

1356
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:36,059
metaphysics of non-duality but then

1357
00:51:39,770 --> 00:51:37,680
there were individuations that spawned

1358
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:39,780
off of that one they call them in one of

1359
00:51:43,370 --> 00:51:41,880
the books luminaries and from what those

1360
00:51:46,430 --> 00:51:43,380
luminaries there was a being named

1361
00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:46,440
Sophia and Sophia had a rogue son known

1362
00:51:49,790 --> 00:51:48,359
as the demiur Giada bayaf goes by

1363
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:49,800
different names and that Rogue son

1364
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:52,740
created a realm in which the humans

1365
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,780
exist and the humans have the Divine

1366
00:51:58,309 --> 00:51:56,400
spark that connects to the outside of

1367
00:52:00,170 --> 00:51:58,319
that realm the Oneness but the humans

1368
00:52:01,970 --> 00:52:00,180
were kept in a state of ignorance they

1369
00:52:03,770 --> 00:52:01,980
used the term the imprisonment of

1370
00:52:05,030 --> 00:52:03,780
humanity and a quote I think I mentioned

1371
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:05,040
this in a prior interview but I'll say

1372
00:52:08,990 --> 00:52:06,839
it again because it's so profound that

1373
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:09,000
it goes something like this the rulers

1374
00:52:12,349 --> 00:52:10,559
through Humanity into a state of

1375
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:12,359
confusion and toil so that they would be

1376
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:13,920
distracted with the things of the world

1377
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,960
and not have the time to be occupied

1378
00:52:19,309 --> 00:52:17,520
with the Holy Spirit

1379
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:19,319
so if you think about that sort of a

1380
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:20,760
cosmology

1381
00:52:24,890 --> 00:52:23,400
it just lines up the data lines up that

1382
00:52:27,950 --> 00:52:24,900
there's some kind of a suppression of

1383
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,960
humanity by darker forces that exist

1384
00:52:32,569 --> 00:52:30,240
within the overall benevolence that

1385
00:52:35,089 --> 00:52:32,579
we're trying to transcend and that just

1386
00:52:36,470 --> 00:52:35,099
Rings true to me with when we see all

1387
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,480
this happening in the world and probably

1388
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:37,920
what motivates me to write these books

1389
00:52:42,049 --> 00:52:39,780
especially when I see the great reset I

1390
00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:42,059
see the metaphysical thread if this

1391
00:52:46,490 --> 00:52:43,980
stuff goes in the most negative

1392
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:46,500
Direction possible the suppression of

1393
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,000
humanity the suppression of our own

1394
00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:49,440
Divinity both in terms of the

1395
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:51,000
information we're exposed to but

1396
00:52:55,730 --> 00:52:52,800
possibly genetically with transhumanism

1397
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,740
altering DNA what does that mean merging

1398
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,720
humans with the AI what does that mean

1399
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,280
in terms of possibly suppressing our

1400
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:01,980
spirituality that's how I look at it I'm

1401
00:53:07,250 --> 00:53:05,280
with you I just I I'm gonna look at the

1402
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:07,260
I'm going to look at the that lens of

1403
00:53:12,589 --> 00:53:10,380
history as more of a glass half full the

1404
00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:12,599
light is always shining a somehow or

1405
00:53:17,390 --> 00:53:15,420
another the the light continues to shine

1406
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:17,400
through the darkness in a way that makes

1407
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:20,040
you think that that is part of the job

1408
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,400
of this play that we're all in let's tie

1409
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,920
it back to because I think this is super

1410
00:53:29,329 --> 00:53:27,420
relevant to the conversation we're

1411
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:29,339
having about the great reset it's about

1412
00:53:34,609 --> 00:53:32,400
the the town of ravensburg where uh

1413
00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:34,619
Claude Schwab is from

1414
00:53:40,670 --> 00:53:37,140
and if you look at uh you've referenced

1415
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:40,680
that Johnny did this kind of very very

1416
00:53:46,010 --> 00:53:43,920
impressive investigative journalistic

1417
00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:46,020
tracing of his background right because

1418
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,059
it's an awesome part impossible to find

1419
00:53:52,910 --> 00:53:50,400
Schwab is a super common German name

1420
00:53:55,010 --> 00:53:52,920
there's a whole schwabian area of

1421
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:55,020
Germany you know but he did it and he

1422
00:53:58,490 --> 00:53:57,000
and he found out where he's from and a

1423
00:54:00,829 --> 00:53:58,500
couple things emerge from that and one

1424
00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:00,839
you can hear on the the Greg carlwood On

1425
00:54:04,130 --> 00:54:02,040
The Higher Side chats kind of brought

1426
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,140
this up and other people have said it in

1427
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:07,200
the in the conspiracy Community but it

1428
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:09,119
doesn't get much play is that

1429
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:13,380
but clearly there's Jewish ancestry in

1430
00:54:17,809 --> 00:54:15,720
uh Claus Schwab's background doesn't

1431
00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:17,819
mean that he's necessarily Jewish but I

1432
00:54:21,890 --> 00:54:19,740
think it's like his grandfather was

1433
00:54:23,809 --> 00:54:21,900
married to a Jewish woman or you know

1434
00:54:26,270 --> 00:54:23,819
second marriage and there's these names

1435
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,280
that are very very Jewish I think none

1436
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,559
of that stuff matters in the least in

1437
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,240
the least but it matters to a lot of

1438
00:54:35,390 --> 00:54:32,640
people and it matters if you're in that

1439
00:54:37,609 --> 00:54:35,400
time frame in Germany in terms of how

1440
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:37,619
what you want to scrub your your

1441
00:54:42,109 --> 00:54:39,720
background so that's the way that it

1442
00:54:44,530 --> 00:54:42,119
matters to me and it particularly

1443
00:54:47,210 --> 00:54:44,540
matters in this place that they're in

1444
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,220
ravensburg or Klaus Schwab is from

1445
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:50,240
because they have this like incredible

1446
00:54:54,770 --> 00:54:51,920
insane

1447
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:54,780
anti-semitic past going back to like the

1448
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:57,660
13th century and they throw all the Jews

1449
00:55:02,569 --> 00:54:59,760
out and they make it against the law for

1450
00:55:04,609 --> 00:55:02,579
a Jewish person to ever walk into town

1451
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:04,619
and then they accuse him of this thing

1452
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:06,780
called blood libel and I think this

1453
00:55:12,049 --> 00:55:09,200
relates right back to our story they say

1454
00:55:14,089 --> 00:55:12,059
these dirty Jews you know what they're

1455
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,099
doing they're getting together and they

1456
00:55:19,430 --> 00:55:16,319
have these rituals where they get these

1457
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:19,440
kids and they sacrifice these kids so

1458
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:21,660
they're they're completely fabricating

1459
00:55:26,329 --> 00:55:23,940
this thing but how are they doing it

1460
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:26,339
they're doing it in a way that resonates

1461
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:29,220
with this dark evil that we know exists

1462
00:55:32,450 --> 00:55:30,900
we know for hundreds of years for

1463
00:55:34,430 --> 00:55:32,460
thousands of years kids have been

1464
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,440
sacrificed they've taken them right out

1465
00:55:39,470 --> 00:55:37,680
of the mother's arms and gone and killed

1466
00:55:41,390 --> 00:55:39,480
them for some reason and it just gets us

1467
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,400
at the deepest level it's kind of like

1468
00:55:45,530 --> 00:55:42,960
this

1469
00:55:47,930 --> 00:55:45,540
darkest darkest thing and they do that

1470
00:55:50,569 --> 00:55:47,940
and the Nazis reboot that too that

1471
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:50,579
becomes part of their uh accusation

1472
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:54,480
against the Jews so what what really I

1473
00:56:00,650 --> 00:55:57,240
thought was was so interesting about all

1474
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:00,660
that is how it relates to

1475
00:56:05,630 --> 00:56:03,119
what we're really talking about in terms

1476
00:56:07,609 --> 00:56:05,640
of evil but also

1477
00:56:10,190 --> 00:56:07,619
how I think we're getting the narrative

1478
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:10,200
wrong because the thing you most often

1479
00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:11,700
hear about Claus Schwab and

1480
00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:13,319
unfortunately this is the conclusion I

1481
00:56:16,609 --> 00:56:15,480
heard from uh johnnyvedmore is that he's

1482
00:56:20,089 --> 00:56:16,619
a Nazi

1483
00:56:22,849 --> 00:56:20,099
and uh there's like some evidence that

1484
00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:22,859
clearly his father who is

1485
00:56:30,890 --> 00:56:26,339
running this very successful is running

1486
00:56:33,530 --> 00:56:30,900
this turbine plant that becomes a key to

1487
00:56:35,210 --> 00:56:33,540
the Nazi business infrastructure but

1488
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,220
it's like a large manufacturing plant

1489
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:37,440
back then in Germany you know the Nazis

1490
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:38,940
take over what are you going to do you

1491
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:41,640
got you you either could fold up the

1492
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:43,140
whole thing and they can kill you and

1493
00:56:46,910 --> 00:56:44,760
put somebody else in there or you keep

1494
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,920
making the turbines and that's what he

1495
00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:48,720
does but I think there's there's been

1496
00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:51,300
this kind of underlying current about

1497
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,640
claw Schwab that he was somehow a Nazi

1498
00:56:57,890 --> 00:56:55,559
there's no evidence for that the

1499
00:57:00,290 --> 00:56:57,900
evidence instead is that

1500
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:00,300
back to tying back to another thing that

1501
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:03,420
he's Henry Kissinger he gets picked by

1502
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,880
Henry Kissinger to come to Harvard and

1503
00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:08,160
be in the young global leaders program

1504
00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:13,859
number one run by the CIA which says

1505
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:16,740
that we want to get the best global

1506
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:19,440
leaders in the world and we want to

1507
00:57:27,130 --> 00:57:22,920
indoctrinate them with the CIA

1508
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:27,140
make America Empire great again thing

1509
00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:31,260
and that becomes that's becomes Klaus

1510
00:57:37,609 --> 00:57:34,440
Schwab's lens to the world and when he

1511
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,619
goes back to uh Germany and he takes

1512
00:57:44,329 --> 00:57:40,559
over his father's plant that becomes his

1513
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:44,339
lens and where I take that is that I

1514
00:57:48,410 --> 00:57:46,440
have to wonder if it's a long long and I

1515
00:57:49,970 --> 00:57:48,420
appreciate you just let me talk this out

1516
00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:49,980
because that's what I feel like I'm

1517
00:57:55,010 --> 00:57:51,660
doing here we're doing together but

1518
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:55,020
that's kind of the part that makes me a

1519
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:57,359
little bit less scared of this whole

1520
00:58:01,370 --> 00:58:00,180
thing because at some level it starts

1521
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:01,380
looking like

1522
00:58:08,450 --> 00:58:05,520
a CIA operation that we've we may not

1523
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,460
like or we may not be in favor of for

1524
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:10,319
all the reasons that we said but we're

1525
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:12,720
sure as hell familiar with it so a few

1526
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:14,760
things taking notes Here I want to

1527
00:58:18,290 --> 00:58:16,500
piggyback off of your glass half full

1528
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,300
with regards to the nagamati scriptures

1529
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:20,400
they end in on a positive light and I

1530
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,900
mentioned this in my contact book they

1531
00:58:26,210 --> 00:58:23,520
say that the light ultimately prevails

1532
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:26,220
in spite of the darkness but going back

1533
00:58:30,250 --> 00:58:28,020
to your other points about Kissinger and

1534
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,260
Klaus Schwab and all that

1535
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:33,119
you're pointing to something a broader

1536
00:58:36,770 --> 00:58:35,160
phenomenon I'm seeing a lot in the let's

1537
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,780
just call it the community of people

1538
00:58:41,690 --> 00:58:38,400
seeking the truth who are looking at

1539
00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:41,700
various conspiracies is is drawing

1540
00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:43,740
inferences off of too little too little

1541
00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:46,200
data like when seeing the two things are

1542
00:58:48,589 --> 00:58:47,579
somewhat connected and then saying oh

1543
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:48,599
these people are automatically

1544
00:58:54,710 --> 00:58:52,079
conspiring or Klaus Schwab has a Nazi

1545
00:58:56,750 --> 00:58:54,720
background and therefore he is a Nazi

1546
00:58:58,730 --> 00:58:56,760
drawing that therefore too quickly

1547
00:59:00,289 --> 00:58:58,740
that's something that happens very often

1548
00:59:01,309 --> 00:59:00,299
and I personally I mean there's a

1549
00:59:02,990 --> 00:59:01,319
tendency to want to do that without

1550
00:59:04,849 --> 00:59:03,000
having complete information we have to

1551
00:59:06,829 --> 00:59:04,859
be really careful about drawing those

1552
00:59:09,049 --> 00:59:06,839
conclusions now with regard to your

1553
00:59:10,849 --> 00:59:09,059
comment about not being worried about

1554
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:10,859
the great reset because maybe it is a

1555
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:13,140
CIA op at its core

1556
00:59:18,109 --> 00:59:15,660
um my concern goes back to what I said

1557
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:18,119
before I'm less concerned about the evil

1558
00:59:21,950 --> 00:59:20,220
from the great reset itself I'm more

1559
00:59:24,829 --> 00:59:21,960
concerned about the good people who are

1560
00:59:27,650 --> 00:59:24,839
going to support more control and how

1561
00:59:29,450 --> 00:59:27,660
Darkness can spiral within that when you

1562
00:59:32,569 --> 00:59:29,460
have centralized power

1563
00:59:34,970 --> 00:59:32,579
so to me it's it's more about

1564
00:59:36,289 --> 00:59:34,980
a direction for society whether we call

1565
00:59:38,510 --> 00:59:36,299
it the great reset or something else

1566
00:59:40,609 --> 00:59:38,520
whether it's CIA or something else it

1567
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:40,619
has the Hallmarks to me a potential

1568
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:42,900
Darkness because it's about control and

1569
00:59:47,030 --> 00:59:44,819
that's where it leads so that's where

1570
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:47,040
I'm in some ways I share your optimism

1571
00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:49,380
and that it's not like maybe this Grand

1572
00:59:54,530 --> 00:59:51,960
satanic plan at its core like explicitly

1573
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:54,540
but it could turn into that because the

1574
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:56,400
ideology lends itself to those sorts of

1575
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:58,020
things and then we come back to our our

1576
01:00:02,270 --> 00:59:59,520
prior discussion about good people

1577
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,280
falling for it and that's where I just I

1578
01:00:05,150 --> 01:00:04,079
can't get out of that loop as we're

1579
01:00:07,130 --> 01:00:05,160
having this conversation right now

1580
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:07,140
that's like my current obsession is is

1581
01:00:12,289 --> 01:00:09,839
the good people who aren't seeing it so

1582
01:00:13,609 --> 01:00:12,299
that that still is a risk to me I think

1583
01:00:15,109 --> 01:00:13,619
that's really interesting we are going

1584
01:00:17,450 --> 01:00:15,119
around but I think every time we go

1585
01:00:19,490 --> 01:00:17,460
around we're hooking on to a new piece

1586
01:00:21,650 --> 01:00:19,500
of it because I'm going to go around to

1587
01:00:23,990 --> 01:00:21,660
it and latch on to what you said about

1588
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:24,000
compassion because I think

1589
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,000
to whatever extent this journey that

1590
01:00:32,809 --> 01:00:30,240
we're on down here in this space time is

1591
01:00:34,970 --> 01:00:32,819
about uh anything from a lesson

1592
01:00:36,890 --> 01:00:34,980
standpoint it's about

1593
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,900
how to be compassion and how to be

1594
01:00:41,210 --> 01:00:39,119
compassionate in the face of all the

1595
01:00:42,829 --> 01:00:41,220
complexities that we're talking about

1596
01:00:46,730 --> 01:00:42,839
and that's what I think you're trying to

1597
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:46,740
kind of suss out in a really uh

1598
01:00:52,609 --> 01:00:50,400
in a really good way and that's so how

1599
01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:52,619
that I think applies here is

1600
01:00:57,049 --> 01:00:54,960
I'd come back to this thing if someone

1601
01:00:59,210 --> 01:00:57,059
explained it to you

1602
01:01:01,789 --> 01:00:59,220
in terms of

1603
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:01,799
kind of a global politics thing and

1604
01:01:04,789 --> 01:01:03,359
that's why I think the Putin thing and

1605
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:04,799
the Russian thing is so interesting

1606
01:01:10,250 --> 01:01:07,140
because he was in the club right like

1607
01:01:12,589 --> 01:01:10,260
you said he was a young Global leader he

1608
01:01:15,770 --> 01:01:12,599
scratched he he's now attempted to be

1609
01:01:17,809 --> 01:01:15,780
erased from that part of the world

1610
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:17,819
economic Forum because he's not exactly

1611
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:20,880
doing what they want right now so

1612
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:24,000
if we look at it from a global world

1613
01:01:29,690 --> 01:01:27,180
political standpoint it has these

1614
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:29,700
different nuanced points that we return

1615
01:01:37,549 --> 01:01:34,020
to which is like hey Mark look you don't

1616
01:01:41,089 --> 01:01:37,559
want Russia to win and you don't want

1617
01:01:43,970 --> 01:01:41,099
China to win so this is the chess move

1618
01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:43,980
mark this is how we go because

1619
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:46,740
if you if you just and again you can't

1620
01:01:53,569 --> 01:01:51,119
help but be condescending uh to to the

1621
01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:53,579
masses because that's where you get when

1622
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:55,500
you have these conversations but that

1623
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:58,319
same guy says because look you know that

1624
01:02:03,109 --> 01:02:00,960
people are easily manipulated and you

1625
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:03,119
know that that whole commie thing is

1626
01:02:08,569 --> 01:02:05,760
very attractive to people so what we're

1627
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,579
going to do is kind of co-opt it and one

1628
01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:11,280
up it we're going to call it Universal

1629
01:02:16,970 --> 01:02:14,160
basic income we're going to call it you

1630
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:16,980
know protect your protect the

1631
01:02:24,109 --> 01:02:19,440
environment we're going to call it

1632
01:02:26,569 --> 01:02:24,119
protect your your your safety and we're

1633
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:26,579
going to do that as a stop Gap because

1634
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:29,160
otherwise this Kami thing we already

1635
01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:31,079
know it looks it looks attractive to

1636
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:32,940
people so this is this is our chess move

1637
01:02:37,609 --> 01:02:36,480
Mark what do you think I don't like it I

1638
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:37,619
don't know if this is what you're asking

1639
01:02:41,390 --> 01:02:39,359
but this is where my mind goes as I was

1640
01:02:44,030 --> 01:02:41,400
listening to you talk I'm asking myself

1641
01:02:46,670 --> 01:02:44,040
how is it that metaphysical evil

1642
01:02:48,470 --> 01:02:46,680
manifests in our world

1643
01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:48,480
because it seems like it can manifest in

1644
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,980
multiple ways it can manifest through

1645
01:02:53,630 --> 01:02:51,359
this rationalization that you're

1646
01:02:55,549 --> 01:02:53,640
describing of while the ends justify the

1647
01:02:57,230 --> 01:02:55,559
means it's all for good it can manifest

1648
01:02:59,390 --> 01:02:57,240
in the explicit through just murder and

1649
01:03:01,250 --> 01:02:59,400
torture and things like that

1650
01:03:02,690 --> 01:03:01,260
but how is it getting into our

1651
01:03:04,609 --> 01:03:02,700
Consciousness so going back to

1652
01:03:06,049 --> 01:03:04,619
post-materialism the brain doesn't

1653
01:03:07,490 --> 01:03:06,059
create Consciousness is the brain like

1654
01:03:09,770 --> 01:03:07,500
an antenna or a filtering mechanism

1655
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,780
that's processing something and you

1656
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:11,520
Helene wabe's book the science of

1657
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:12,900
channelings is talking about this that

1658
01:03:16,609 --> 01:03:15,240
we're picking stuff up from other Realms

1659
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:16,619
in terms of where our thoughts are

1660
01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,780
coming from so where do these creative

1661
01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:19,920
ideas come from that you're talking

1662
01:03:25,069 --> 01:03:21,780
about Universal basic income these chess

1663
01:03:27,010 --> 01:03:25,079
moves what is the source of that and to

1664
01:03:29,450 --> 01:03:27,020
what extent is the individual in control

1665
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:29,460
of those thoughts that come in I mean to

1666
01:03:33,770 --> 01:03:31,500
me I think we have control over

1667
01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:33,780
what we do with the thoughts for sure

1668
01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:35,940
but are there ways of strengthening the

1669
01:03:39,710 --> 01:03:37,980
mind or having a certain intention such

1670
01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:39,720
that those

1671
01:03:43,549 --> 01:03:41,579
potentially deceptive thoughts aren't

1672
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:43,559
entering as frequently

1673
01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:47,280
brother that is so next level but it's

1674
01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:50,040
really really where my heart is at too

1675
01:03:55,609 --> 01:03:52,980
I'll bounce something else off you

1676
01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:55,619
this is true for me and tell me if this

1677
01:04:00,829 --> 01:03:57,720
resonates with you

1678
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:00,839
when the truth comes through somebody

1679
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:04,319
and their intent is truly with the

1680
01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:07,200
benevolent with the the light

1681
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:10,020
it just boom it just comes through like

1682
01:04:14,030 --> 01:04:12,000
a like a lightning bolt it's just

1683
01:04:14,990 --> 01:04:14,040
obvious that that's where they're coming

1684
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:15,000
from

1685
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:18,240
and the deceptive always has a little

1686
01:04:22,910 --> 01:04:21,180
bit of a different flavor to it I can't

1687
01:04:27,470 --> 01:04:22,920
think of many times when I've really

1688
01:04:30,650 --> 01:04:27,480
been completely deceived by someone who

1689
01:04:34,849 --> 01:04:30,660
and I think we have this intuitive deep

1690
01:04:36,770 --> 01:04:34,859
sense of knowing what's true and we have

1691
01:04:39,410 --> 01:04:36,780
a lot of evidence for

1692
01:04:41,329 --> 01:04:39,420
that not waking up in people and being

1693
01:04:43,609 --> 01:04:41,339
drawn into Cults or being drawn into

1694
01:04:44,990 --> 01:04:43,619
following the wrong things but I think

1695
01:04:46,309 --> 01:04:45,000
in the same way that you're talking

1696
01:04:49,190 --> 01:04:46,319
about it quite beautifully about

1697
01:04:52,250 --> 01:04:49,200
building up that that inner strength and

1698
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:52,260
attuning ourselves to the light I think

1699
01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:54,900
it gives us a better ability to tune

1700
01:05:00,410 --> 01:04:57,900
into people who maybe are in this power

1701
01:05:01,849 --> 01:05:00,420
position who are of the light what do

1702
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,859
you think about that

1703
01:05:05,630 --> 01:05:03,839
um

1704
01:05:08,450 --> 01:05:05,640
I I think you're talking about building

1705
01:05:10,130 --> 01:05:08,460
a muscle we all have it innately but the

1706
01:05:11,569 --> 01:05:10,140
extent to which we use it has to be

1707
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,579
developed I think

1708
01:05:15,470 --> 01:05:13,680
and I'm just saying that Based on data

1709
01:05:17,030 --> 01:05:15,480
points in my life of people who seem to

1710
01:05:18,829 --> 01:05:17,040
have a lot of Truth in certain ways but

1711
01:05:20,030 --> 01:05:18,839
then in other ways aren't seeing the

1712
01:05:21,650 --> 01:05:20,040
full picture so it's like there's

1713
01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:21,660
there's a blockage

1714
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:23,819
and

1715
01:05:27,829 --> 01:05:25,200
this is probably where spiritual

1716
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:27,839
practice ultimately comes in

1717
01:05:31,609 --> 01:05:30,000
um I I often refer back to Ken Wilbur's

1718
01:05:33,109 --> 01:05:31,619
framework and I talk about in this new

1719
01:05:35,030 --> 01:05:33,119
book and into the upside down reset as

1720
01:05:37,069 --> 01:05:35,040
well waking up cleaning up and growing

1721
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,079
up I'm thinking about cleaning up in

1722
01:05:42,109 --> 01:05:39,839
particular of working on our own inner

1723
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:42,119
darkness and Trauma that's unhealed to

1724
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:43,680
transmute that because maybe it makes

1725
01:05:48,170 --> 01:05:46,500
our antenna so to speak get a clearer

1726
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,180
picture like we get less noise more

1727
01:05:52,670 --> 01:05:50,640
signal that way and therefore our inner

1728
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:52,680
discernment is able to come out more so

1729
01:05:56,329 --> 01:05:53,880
it might be that this is just me

1730
01:05:58,849 --> 01:05:56,339
speculating that a lack of discernment

1731
01:06:00,650 --> 01:05:58,859
is a lack of inner work it's a

1732
01:06:03,710 --> 01:06:00,660
manifestation of a lack of inner work in

1733
01:06:07,490 --> 01:06:03,720
some way I think that's profound let's

1734
01:06:11,150 --> 01:06:07,500
apply that Wilbur methodology which I

1735
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:11,160
think is great too let's apply it to

1736
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:14,880
these two kind of Cornerstone agendas

1737
01:06:20,450 --> 01:06:17,400
that are being pushed one is global

1738
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:20,460
warming and the other is

1739
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:24,000
viruses vaccines kind of thing you know

1740
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:26,700
what's the waking up

1741
01:06:32,029 --> 01:06:30,240
what's the cleaning up and what's the

1742
01:06:34,670 --> 01:06:32,039
growing up

1743
01:06:37,609 --> 01:06:34,680
okay let's say it's waking up to the

1744
01:06:41,390 --> 01:06:37,619
truth to some degree to some body of

1745
01:06:44,029 --> 01:06:41,400
facts that we can look at in using like

1746
01:06:47,210 --> 01:06:44,039
scientific method reason logic and say

1747
01:06:48,890 --> 01:06:47,220
wow it's kind of pretty hard not to not

1748
01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:48,900
to say that you know

1749
01:06:53,690 --> 01:06:51,299
okay and then cleaning up is

1750
01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:53,700
looking at the darkness that might be

1751
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,280
there and transmuting it so that's an

1752
01:07:00,170 --> 01:06:57,839
acknowledgment of the darkness and then

1753
01:07:02,870 --> 01:07:00,180
growing up is about typically maturation

1754
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,880
personal responsibility and accepting

1755
01:07:06,349 --> 01:07:04,559
reality as it is not looking at things

1756
01:07:07,609 --> 01:07:06,359
with rose-colored glasses so all these

1757
01:07:09,230 --> 01:07:07,619
things are somewhat interrelated but

1758
01:07:10,910 --> 01:07:09,240
they can be regarded as distinct too

1759
01:07:12,650 --> 01:07:10,920
there's a fourth one too which I think

1760
01:07:15,049 --> 01:07:12,660
we should include here and I included in

1761
01:07:16,849 --> 01:07:15,059
this new book showing up that Wilbur

1762
01:07:18,349 --> 01:07:16,859
talks about waking up cleaning up

1763
01:07:19,970 --> 01:07:18,359
growing up and showing up he calls them

1764
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:19,980
lines of development meaning that you

1765
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:22,319
could be highly elevated in one area but

1766
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:23,760
maybe not in the others and he talks

1767
01:07:27,529 --> 01:07:25,920
about a collect a comprehensive holistic

1768
01:07:29,569 --> 01:07:27,539
type of evolution that's not just one of

1769
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:29,579
those categories but all of them and we

1770
01:07:35,390 --> 01:07:32,760
will not talk about how that might apply

1771
01:07:37,789 --> 01:07:35,400
or not apply to Ken Wilbur at different

1772
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:37,799
times in his life but that doesn't

1773
01:07:41,809 --> 01:07:40,260
matter either because exactly

1774
01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:41,819
well this is one of the big challenges

1775
01:07:45,470 --> 01:07:43,799
too is trying to take the good from what

1776
01:07:46,910 --> 01:07:45,480
you see in various people that no human

1777
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:46,920
is perfect you can focus on the

1778
01:07:50,089 --> 01:07:48,660
negatives exclusively on everyone and

1779
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:50,099
then just dismiss everything but I try

1780
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:52,200
to take the The Beneficial things that

1781
01:07:56,930 --> 01:07:53,520
have been helpful to me in my journey

1782
01:07:59,990 --> 01:07:56,940
absolutely so all right so so let's talk

1783
01:08:01,309 --> 01:08:00,000
about climate and vaccines with regard

1784
01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:01,319
to these things

1785
01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:04,140
let me interject again sure and and the

1786
01:08:08,510 --> 01:08:06,299
the reason that this is particularly

1787
01:08:12,289 --> 01:08:08,520
relevant to the end of The Upside Down

1788
01:08:15,650 --> 01:08:12,299
reset is that as usual Mark has provided

1789
01:08:20,570 --> 01:08:15,660
you an incredible collection of

1790
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:20,580
footnotes links references to real stuff

1791
01:08:26,209 --> 01:08:24,120
real data real waking up stuff and a lot

1792
01:08:28,729 --> 01:08:26,219
of it relates to climate and a lot of it

1793
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:28,739
relates to vaccines so we're not going

1794
01:08:34,370 --> 01:08:31,679
outside of the by this book get this

1795
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:34,380
book because it will give you that you

1796
01:08:38,689 --> 01:08:35,880
can go get a number of other places but

1797
01:08:42,289 --> 01:08:40,789
okay so with regard to climate this is

1798
01:08:44,450 --> 01:08:42,299
actually the first book where I went

1799
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:44,460
deep into it it's not a topic that I've

1800
01:08:48,110 --> 01:08:46,380
wasn't felt like I was an expert in but

1801
01:08:51,470 --> 01:08:48,120
in my Liberty book my third book I did

1802
01:08:53,870 --> 01:08:51,480
mention project Veritas has undercover

1803
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:53,880
footage of the technical director at CNN

1804
01:08:58,849 --> 01:08:56,520
talking about a number of things but he

1805
01:09:02,269 --> 01:08:58,859
talked about climate as well so that was

1806
01:09:04,849 --> 01:09:02,279
my first uh red flag that went up a few

1807
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,859
years ago and he said look right now

1808
01:09:08,269 --> 01:09:06,719
this was April 2021 that's when the

1809
01:09:09,709 --> 01:09:08,279
footage was taken he didn't know he was

1810
01:09:11,870 --> 01:09:09,719
being recorded at the time

1811
01:09:13,430 --> 01:09:11,880
he said right now Cove it's big but

1812
01:09:15,590 --> 01:09:13,440
that's going to end

1813
01:09:17,809 --> 01:09:15,600
and we're being told by the head of the

1814
01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:17,819
company that we need to focus on climate

1815
01:09:22,249 --> 01:09:20,880
next because fear sells and climates got

1816
01:09:24,050 --> 01:09:22,259
longevity

1817
01:09:25,490 --> 01:09:24,060
so we're going to be focusing on ways to

1818
01:09:26,930 --> 01:09:25,500
keep people in fear I'm paraphrasing it

1819
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:26,940
in my book I've got the exact quotes you

1820
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:28,799
can go on Project veritas's website and

1821
01:09:32,090 --> 01:09:30,660
listen to his word saying this sort of

1822
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:32,100
thing

1823
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,500
so this might be actually more of a

1824
01:09:37,970 --> 01:09:36,239
cleaning up with regard to climate the

1825
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:37,980
notion that we're not being told the

1826
01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:40,560
truth because there is an agenda behind

1827
01:09:44,450 --> 01:09:41,640
it

1828
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:44,460
I think that is cleaning up so we'll

1829
01:09:48,829 --> 01:09:46,080
move it over to that category but it's

1830
01:09:50,269 --> 01:09:48,839
an awesome example go back because in

1831
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:50,279
the book you also have the waking up

1832
01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:52,500
just the data it's like like I was

1833
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:54,920
telling Bernardo you know

1834
01:10:01,209 --> 01:09:58,080
you think that the Netherlands is going

1835
01:10:04,490 --> 01:10:01,219
to be underwater they've been measuring

1836
01:10:06,169 --> 01:10:04,500
high tide low tide and it's not hard to

1837
01:10:07,729 --> 01:10:06,179
do right I mean it's something that they

1838
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:07,739
could do for the last hundred years and

1839
01:10:13,970 --> 01:10:11,040
do very very effectively they've done it

1840
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:13,980
what is that data tell us long story

1841
01:10:18,650 --> 01:10:15,719
short a lot of what we're being told

1842
01:10:20,990 --> 01:10:18,660
about the imminent catastrophe is is

1843
01:10:22,189 --> 01:10:21,000
questionable I mean I'm being mild about

1844
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,199
it there

1845
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,960
um from from many angles and I think

1846
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,120
part of the waking up is to realize that

1847
01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:28,800
we don't have two sides of the debate

1848
01:10:32,330 --> 01:10:30,360
very often and it parallels

1849
01:10:33,950 --> 01:10:32,340
Consciousness science where you're

1850
01:10:35,390 --> 01:10:33,960
allowed to say certain things and if you

1851
01:10:37,250 --> 01:10:35,400
go outside of the narrative then you're

1852
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:37,260
a pseudoscientist you're a skep you're

1853
01:10:40,910 --> 01:10:39,360
you're not allowed in so we see Dr

1854
01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:40,920
Judith Curry who's the head of climate

1855
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:43,260
science at Georgia Tech and she started

1856
01:10:46,370 --> 01:10:44,640
to speak out and I wrote this in my book

1857
01:10:48,169 --> 01:10:46,380
she said they basically finished me off

1858
01:10:49,550 --> 01:10:48,179
and she has a new book coming out which

1859
01:10:52,010 --> 01:10:49,560
I'll be interested to read and she's

1860
01:10:54,590 --> 01:10:52,020
speaking out against the the prevailing

1861
01:10:56,330 --> 01:10:54,600
narrative uh she also references the

1862
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:56,340
climate gate emails which point to some

1863
01:11:00,169 --> 01:10:57,840
of this deception maybe also this isn't

1864
01:11:02,090 --> 01:11:00,179
cleaning up but that they're we're not

1865
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:02,100
being told the full story here and they

1866
01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:04,320
talk about hiding the decline which many

1867
01:11:07,310 --> 01:11:06,120
have interpreted to mean hiding the

1868
01:11:10,010 --> 01:11:07,320
decline in temperatures which would go

1869
01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:10,020
against the prevailing narrative but I

1870
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:11,460
think part of the waking up is to

1871
01:11:14,689 --> 01:11:12,780
acknowledge that there are dissenting

1872
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:14,699
voices out there that are really smart I

1873
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,380
mean I also reference Stephen coonan in

1874
01:11:20,090 --> 01:11:18,480
my book who was in the energy Department

1875
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,100
under Obama he wrote this new book

1876
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:21,840
called unsettled he was the Provost at

1877
01:11:25,490 --> 01:11:24,060
Caltech a physicist and he wrote this

1878
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:25,500
book where he just says look we don't

1879
01:11:29,330 --> 01:11:27,540
know for sure we can't take this fully

1880
01:11:31,610 --> 01:11:29,340
catastrophic position because there's

1881
01:11:32,930 --> 01:11:31,620
data that counteracts the narrative and

1882
01:11:35,149 --> 01:11:32,940
the point that he makes which others

1883
01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:35,159
make including Charles eisenstein he

1884
01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:36,840
says look I'm I've got a PhD in

1885
01:11:40,610 --> 01:11:38,520
mathematics and I'm trying to understand

1886
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:40,620
some of this data and I can't even come

1887
01:11:44,570 --> 01:11:42,840
to a conclusion on some of it and that's

1888
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:44,580
what coonan points to as well that some

1889
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:46,440
of this stuff is really sophisticated

1890
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:48,840
and what we hear from the media or from

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01:11:52,370 --> 01:11:50,400
even some of the experts is like their

1892
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:52,380
interpretation of a summary report of

1893
01:11:57,229 --> 01:11:54,000
something and actually getting to that

1894
01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:57,239
core data of the real stuff it's

1895
01:12:01,010 --> 01:11:58,980
multiple steps removed from where the

1896
01:12:02,750 --> 01:12:01,020
public is so I think waking up to that

1897
01:12:04,669 --> 01:12:02,760
fact is really critical for just an

1898
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,679
everyday person looking at this very

1899
01:12:10,149 --> 01:12:06,480
important issue that is being talked

1900
01:12:12,350 --> 01:12:10,159
about everywhere it's presented to us as

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01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:12,360
incontrovertible fact that unless we do

1902
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:14,280
X Y and Z we know that we're headed for

1903
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:16,440
mass extinction that's the catastrophic

1904
01:12:21,709 --> 01:12:18,719
narrative that we're getting and

1905
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:21,719
that might not be true to put it mildly

1906
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:23,820
yeah and and I'd almost take a different

1907
01:12:29,090 --> 01:12:27,360
uh cut at it because the first

1908
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:29,100
problem with the data that you're

1909
01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:31,620
alluding to is you've got to go what

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01:12:36,290 --> 01:12:33,360
data there's a lot of data out there

1911
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:36,300
which data am I looking at and the data

1912
01:12:43,729 --> 01:12:39,360
in this case is the data that would

1913
01:12:47,930 --> 01:12:43,739
suggest that humans are

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01:12:50,630 --> 01:12:47,940
I think a catastrophic impact on the

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01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:50,640
warming of the planet so that's number

1916
01:12:57,530 --> 01:12:54,239
one and that by taking certain policy

1917
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:57,540
measures we can reverse that

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01:13:03,050 --> 01:13:01,320
I think anyone who breaks that down and

1919
01:13:05,330 --> 01:13:03,060
pursues that will come out to the

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01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:05,340
conclusion that that's just has not been

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01:13:10,729 --> 01:13:08,460
proven and if anything the evidence is

1922
01:13:13,010 --> 01:13:10,739
stronger for the counter argument all

1923
01:13:15,649 --> 01:13:13,020
you would have to do to kind of falsify

1924
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:15,659
that is to say the null hypothesis is

1925
01:13:21,470 --> 01:13:18,480
there isn't substantial evidence that

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01:13:23,930 --> 01:13:21,480
humans are having a catastrophic impact

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01:13:25,729 --> 01:13:23,940
on GL I'm at warming because let's not

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01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:25,739
forget that's what this whole thing is

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01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,560
about so that's number one and then

1930
01:13:33,649 --> 01:13:30,719
number two I mean you can kind of take

1931
01:13:35,930 --> 01:13:33,659
it too but I I always you know Judith

1932
01:13:37,370 --> 01:13:35,940
Curry who by the way you know I just

1933
01:13:39,410 --> 01:13:37,380
mentioned the sea level rise which is

1934
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,420
all you really have to look at right the

1935
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:41,520
ice and the glass melts and the sea

1936
01:13:47,689 --> 01:13:44,159
level rises you can look at one one

1937
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,699
factor are the sea levels Rising if they

1938
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:49,679
are then there's warming if there's not

1939
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:52,320
then they're not and she's done the most

1940
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,420
thorough scientific analysis of that

1941
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:56,400
just a couple years ago and her

1942
01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:57,600
conclusion

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01:14:02,450 --> 01:13:59,580
published peer-reviewed

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01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:02,460
very highly regarded climatologist is no

1945
01:14:07,130 --> 01:14:04,800
there just isn't any evidence for it so

1946
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:07,140
the other thing that I I see she just

1947
01:14:12,709 --> 01:14:10,320
gets flustered and agitated about is

1948
01:14:15,229 --> 01:14:12,719
that and again you can this is data you

1949
01:14:20,030 --> 01:14:15,239
can just go track this down for yourself

1950
01:14:22,610 --> 01:14:20,040
if we implemented all the policies that

1951
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:22,620
the schwabians and all the globalists

1952
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:23,460
want

1953
01:14:29,209 --> 01:14:25,860
there is no evidence that that would

1954
01:14:32,570 --> 01:14:29,219
lead to any significant reduction in

1955
01:14:35,870 --> 01:14:32,580
what is already a minuscule contribution

1956
01:14:37,729 --> 01:14:35,880
to global warming

1957
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:37,739
yeah you broke it down into two great

1958
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,900
categories human impact and policy and

1959
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:41,040
these are assumptions that are often

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01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:43,080
taken for granted the the extent of

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01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,760
human impact on the climate number one

1962
01:14:48,770 --> 01:14:46,920
and two that we have policies because

1963
01:14:50,570 --> 01:14:48,780
we're so enlightened that we'll correct

1964
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:50,580
this so the first one with regard to

1965
01:14:54,890 --> 01:14:53,100
human impact is just there are so many

1966
01:14:56,810 --> 01:14:54,900
variables involved and you are you don't

1967
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,820
you don't hear them talked about I mean

1968
01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,560
climate is a very complex thing and I do

1969
01:15:04,130 --> 01:15:00,320
talk about this in the book The

1970
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:04,140
inadequacy of models as well

1971
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:06,060
um going back to the meteorologist

1972
01:15:11,149 --> 01:15:09,000
Lorenz oh this goes back to chaos theory

1973
01:15:12,729 --> 01:15:11,159
he altered his model by a decimal point

1974
01:15:16,010 --> 01:15:12,739
and it got a wildly different

1975
01:15:18,830 --> 01:15:16,020
outcome by having one thing off by a

1976
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:18,840
decimal so climate is extremely complex

1977
01:15:22,010 --> 01:15:20,159
and we have all these variables and

1978
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:22,020
models what if you just changed one by a

1979
01:15:24,830 --> 01:15:23,280
little bit you could end up with a very

1980
01:15:26,209 --> 01:15:24,840
different result so that's always

1981
01:15:27,890 --> 01:15:26,219
important to keep in mind it's just not

1982
01:15:29,630 --> 01:15:27,900
talked about there's this to use Michael

1983
01:15:32,090 --> 01:15:29,640
schellenberger's terminology he wrote a

1984
01:15:34,850 --> 01:15:32,100
book called apocalypse never he was more

1985
01:15:36,169 --> 01:15:34,860
on the let's call it the the pro-human

1986
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:36,179
impact climate change he was more

1987
01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:38,400
mainstream and he switched since then he

1988
01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:39,900
says it's false precision

1989
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,940
that we have with these models so that's

1990
01:15:45,649 --> 01:15:43,440
important to keep in mind but that also

1991
01:15:47,450 --> 01:15:45,659
applies to the policy issues because

1992
01:15:50,330 --> 01:15:47,460
we're making projections about the

1993
01:15:52,790 --> 01:15:50,340
future with a very complex thing climate

1994
01:15:54,770 --> 01:15:52,800
how many I mean there's the sun there's

1995
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,780
geothermal stuff there are lots of

1996
01:15:57,709 --> 01:15:56,400
things being put in the atmosphere

1997
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,719
whether it's CO2 and other things

1998
01:16:00,410 --> 01:15:59,040
there's just a million variables you

1999
01:16:01,729 --> 01:16:00,420
could come up with and who knows on a

2000
01:16:03,229 --> 01:16:01,739
metaphysical level how all this works

2001
01:16:04,430 --> 01:16:03,239
too I always think about that the really

2002
01:16:06,110 --> 01:16:04,440
invisible stuff that we don't even

2003
01:16:08,570 --> 01:16:06,120
understand we don't understand dark

2004
01:16:09,649 --> 01:16:08,580
matter and dark energy but my point is

2005
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:09,659
there are a lot of variables that aren't

2006
01:16:13,490 --> 01:16:11,460
talked about so that goes with making

2007
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,500
projections about the future we saw this

2008
01:16:17,930 --> 01:16:16,080
in covid there were projections of this

2009
01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:17,940
many people are going to die Imperial

2010
01:16:21,770 --> 01:16:20,100
College London and policy was made based

2011
01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:21,780
off of those predict predictions and

2012
01:16:25,550 --> 01:16:23,100
assumptions and they turned out to be

2013
01:16:28,669 --> 01:16:25,560
very wrong they overshot the number of

2014
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:28,679
deaths and what happened Liberties were

2015
01:16:32,689 --> 01:16:30,659
taken away people's business livelihoods

2016
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:32,699
were altered mental health was affected

2017
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:35,040
based on the predictions of a few people

2018
01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:37,020
and the other place that I thought you

2019
01:16:40,010 --> 01:16:38,340
were going to go that I don't hear a lot

2020
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,020
of people talk about and I think you

2021
01:16:45,350 --> 01:16:42,239
were going there is that there are all

2022
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,360
sorts of variables associated with the

2023
01:16:51,470 --> 01:16:47,760
policies and the implementation of those

2024
01:16:53,870 --> 01:16:51,480
policies so you can draw up on a piece

2025
01:16:56,990 --> 01:16:53,880
of paper how you will roll this out so

2026
01:16:58,130 --> 01:16:57,000
then how how then do we move to cleaning

2027
01:16:59,209 --> 01:16:58,140
up because you already you already

2028
01:17:00,890 --> 01:16:59,219
dropped a couple of them on there

2029
01:17:02,630 --> 01:17:00,900
because for people like you and I who

2030
01:17:05,149 --> 01:17:02,640
have been through it a lot of times you

2031
01:17:06,890 --> 01:17:05,159
jump right to the cleanup thing like how

2032
01:17:09,590 --> 01:17:06,900
could they do climate gate and how do

2033
01:17:11,330 --> 01:17:09,600
people not just say this because

2034
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,340
sometimes they'll reverse climate

2035
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:12,960
they'll say that didn't really happen if

2036
01:17:16,729 --> 01:17:14,820
you if you talk to chat GPT and ask

2037
01:17:18,890 --> 01:17:16,739
about climate okay they go oh they were

2038
01:17:20,270 --> 01:17:18,900
all uh that none of them did anything if

2039
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:20,280
you really investigate it you find the

2040
01:17:25,450 --> 01:17:22,320
opposite is true it was one of the the

2041
01:17:29,270 --> 01:17:25,460
most egregious examples of scientific

2042
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:29,280
fraud that we kind of know of but but

2043
01:17:32,810 --> 01:17:31,140
sort of like the Twitter files

2044
01:17:34,189 --> 01:17:32,820
people are saying oh it's not an issue

2045
01:17:36,530 --> 01:17:34,199
the media isn't covering it and it's

2046
01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:36,540
just explicit government collusion to

2047
01:17:40,130 --> 01:17:38,100
shut down narratives and to steer

2048
01:17:41,450 --> 01:17:40,140
information so it's it's kind of the

2049
01:17:43,130 --> 01:17:41,460
same Playbook that we're seeing over and

2050
01:17:44,689 --> 01:17:43,140
over again in different areas and that's

2051
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:44,699
where I to me it's just the pattern

2052
01:17:48,169 --> 01:17:46,440
recognition comes in as someone who's

2053
01:17:49,970 --> 01:17:48,179
not a climate scientist per se but I've

2054
01:17:51,890 --> 01:17:49,980
seen this movie before in other areas so

2055
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:51,900
my red flags the red flags are all over

2056
01:17:55,490 --> 01:17:54,239
the place with this and

2057
01:17:56,810 --> 01:17:55,500
um and then you look so now in the

2058
01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:56,820
cleaning up we see what the CNN

2059
01:18:00,649 --> 01:17:58,800
technical director said very explicitly

2060
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,659
so he wasn't making a statement about

2061
01:18:04,669 --> 01:18:02,640
climate science itself he was talking

2062
01:18:06,649 --> 01:18:04,679
about how it would be used it's sort of

2063
01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:06,659
like covid did people die did people get

2064
01:18:10,250 --> 01:18:08,280
sick was there tragedy from it

2065
01:18:12,169 --> 01:18:10,260
absolutely but there seems to be this

2066
01:18:13,790 --> 01:18:12,179
pattern where it's like if there is a

2067
01:18:15,470 --> 01:18:13,800
problem then the authorities therefore

2068
01:18:18,530 --> 01:18:15,480
have had the ability to do whatever they

2069
01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:18,540
want because this problem exists so that

2070
01:18:22,610 --> 01:18:20,580
to me is where climate seems to be

2071
01:18:24,770 --> 01:18:22,620
heading where okay we've got this big

2072
01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:24,780
crisis Global crisis we therefore get to

2073
01:18:28,910 --> 01:18:26,460
tell you everything you're going to be

2074
01:18:31,729 --> 01:18:28,920
doing in terms of where how your uh your

2075
01:18:34,189 --> 01:18:31,739
transportation what you eat and so forth

2076
01:18:35,090 --> 01:18:34,199
so the cleaning up is to acknowledge all

2077
01:18:38,510 --> 01:18:35,100
of that

2078
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:38,520
that crisis or the perception of Crisis

2079
01:18:41,930 --> 01:18:40,080
can be weaponized and has been

2080
01:18:43,970 --> 01:18:41,940
weaponized historically

2081
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,980
and to acknowledge that Darkness exists

2082
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:45,600
within all the stuff it's not just the

2083
01:18:48,649 --> 01:18:47,280
benevolence of oh we want to save the

2084
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,659
planet we're all interconnected look at

2085
01:18:52,910 --> 01:18:50,640
all the biodiversity loss I mean that's

2086
01:18:54,350 --> 01:18:52,920
the kind of argumentation you hear

2087
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:54,360
um we're We Are Spiritual people

2088
01:18:56,689 --> 01:18:55,440
therefore we've got to help the

2089
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:56,699
environment and these people are saying

2090
01:18:59,810 --> 01:18:58,320
we got to do this to help the climate

2091
01:19:01,130 --> 01:18:59,820
therefore we're going to do it it misses

2092
01:19:03,229 --> 01:19:01,140
the cleaning up to me it misses the

2093
01:19:06,530 --> 01:19:03,239
potential deception

2094
01:19:09,709 --> 01:19:06,540
and I think it also kind of naturally

2095
01:19:12,050 --> 01:19:09,719
flows into the growing up

2096
01:19:14,270 --> 01:19:12,060
because I think the growing up is all

2097
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:14,280
about the deception all about the

2098
01:19:20,030 --> 01:19:16,260
metaphysical all about

2099
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:20,040
how that darkness is entering into not

2100
01:19:26,930 --> 01:19:23,640
just our world but us into our thoughts

2101
01:19:28,970 --> 01:19:26,940
into our actions into what we do it

2102
01:19:32,990 --> 01:19:28,980
that's how I understand growing up but

2103
01:19:35,630 --> 01:19:33,000
do you agree yeah and it's acknowledging

2104
01:19:38,090 --> 01:19:35,640
that the world doesn't work in such a

2105
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:38,100
pleasant way as we might like it to be

2106
01:19:42,169 --> 01:19:40,440
that's this this kind of deception

2107
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:42,179
exists and we have to accept it even

2108
01:19:46,010 --> 01:19:44,340
though many people are very good that

2109
01:19:48,169 --> 01:19:46,020
that other that other people who are not

2110
01:19:50,090 --> 01:19:48,179
you would want to deceive you

2111
01:19:52,010 --> 01:19:50,100
and there could there is a psychological

2112
01:19:53,270 --> 01:19:52,020
incentive to not wanting to believe

2113
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:53,280
those things because it's much more

2114
01:19:55,970 --> 01:19:54,960
comforting to think we live in a in a

2115
01:19:58,189 --> 01:19:55,980
world where no one's going to do that

2116
01:19:59,570 --> 01:19:58,199
for these major Global issues that no

2117
01:20:01,790 --> 01:19:59,580
they wouldn't deceive us that would be

2118
01:20:03,050 --> 01:20:01,800
horrific to me that's the growing up

2119
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,060
with this

2120
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:05,760
I think the other part of growing up

2121
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:07,920
with this is something you talked about

2122
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:11,040
before and I I again I I so love and

2123
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:12,719
respect the way you interweave these

2124
01:20:16,790 --> 01:20:13,860
things together

2125
01:20:19,189 --> 01:20:16,800
it's about the personal growing up in

2126
01:20:22,370 --> 01:20:19,199
the personal realizing that that shadow

2127
01:20:24,649 --> 01:20:22,380
is my shadow I can't just project it out

2128
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:24,659
on the world and all these evil people

2129
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:28,320
in Davos it's it's me it's when I sit

2130
01:20:33,649 --> 01:20:31,920
alone why can't I be happy and still and

2131
01:20:35,149 --> 01:20:33,659
why can't the lightness always shine

2132
01:20:38,030 --> 01:20:35,159
through from me and why do I do things

2133
01:20:40,370 --> 01:20:38,040
that I don't think are are positive in

2134
01:20:44,450 --> 01:20:40,380
the world and is that

2135
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:44,460
you know is that in a small way

2136
01:20:49,850 --> 01:20:47,580
what's going on on this larger scale too

2137
01:20:52,250 --> 01:20:49,860
and and only when we're able to really

2138
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:52,260
look at that look at that shadow do I

2139
01:20:57,350 --> 01:20:54,480
think we even have a chance of growing

2140
01:20:58,729 --> 01:20:57,360
up what do you think well I do think it

2141
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,739
starts with the individual and maybe

2142
01:21:01,970 --> 01:21:00,239
this goes back to our earlier discussion

2143
01:21:03,290 --> 01:21:01,980
about the ability to discern once you've

2144
01:21:05,209 --> 01:21:03,300
started to clean it up on your own then

2145
01:21:07,970 --> 01:21:05,219
you can precede the deception a bit

2146
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,980
better on a collective level the

2147
01:21:11,209 --> 01:21:09,360
cleaning up that's more challenging

2148
01:21:13,310 --> 01:21:11,219
because we can't control other people's

2149
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:13,320
behavior we they you have to want to do

2150
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:16,020
it yourself I think what we're doing by

2151
01:21:18,709 --> 01:21:17,460
having this conversation and what you do

2152
01:21:21,169 --> 01:21:18,719
on your podcast and what I try to do

2153
01:21:22,610 --> 01:21:21,179
with my books is to give people more

2154
01:21:23,810 --> 01:21:22,620
information and ways of thinking about

2155
01:21:25,729 --> 01:21:23,820
things so that they might be more

2156
01:21:27,169 --> 01:21:25,739
inclined to want to clean up and they

2157
01:21:29,510 --> 01:21:27,179
might be more inclined to want to look

2158
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:29,520
at things so but it starts with you it

2159
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:31,440
starts with the individual you clean

2160
01:21:36,110 --> 01:21:34,380
yourself up and then I think as a

2161
01:21:37,729 --> 01:21:36,120
byproduct then you end up positively

2162
01:21:40,970 --> 01:21:37,739
impacting others

2163
01:21:43,250 --> 01:21:40,980
and and do you wind up growing up or do

2164
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:43,260
you have to make that explicit growing

2165
01:21:46,669 --> 01:21:44,400
up because one of the things I've

2166
01:21:49,130 --> 01:21:46,679
respect about Wilbur the little bit that

2167
01:21:51,169 --> 01:21:49,140
I've I've kind of read into this is that

2168
01:21:53,870 --> 01:21:51,179
he really gets to the growing up part

2169
01:21:55,130 --> 01:21:53,880
and and I think he kind of stresses as I

2170
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,140
remember it is

2171
01:21:59,090 --> 01:21:57,360
this is the hard part really for a lot

2172
01:22:01,550 --> 01:21:59,100
of us we can kind of get through the

2173
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:01,560
other two but we get to okay now I

2174
01:22:05,930 --> 01:22:03,960
because it's about change right

2175
01:22:09,169 --> 01:22:05,940
what do you think yeah well personal

2176
01:22:12,350 --> 01:22:09,179
responsibility versus victimhood that's

2177
01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:12,360
maybe the Crux of it of growing up and

2178
01:22:18,110 --> 01:22:15,000
that takes energy it takes a willingness

2179
01:22:20,090 --> 01:22:18,120
to go there in a in a way that might be

2180
01:22:21,709 --> 01:22:20,100
uncomfortable to think that you are the

2181
01:22:23,390 --> 01:22:21,719
one that is ultimately responsible

2182
01:22:25,250 --> 01:22:23,400
rather than Mommy and Daddy government

2183
01:22:27,050 --> 01:22:25,260
or of the experts the technocrats who

2184
01:22:28,850 --> 01:22:27,060
are going to tell us what to do so

2185
01:22:30,970 --> 01:22:28,860
that's where like we talked about last

2186
01:22:34,430 --> 01:22:30,980
time this idea of toughness and strength

2187
01:22:35,930 --> 01:22:34,440
is really critical uh because if not

2188
01:22:37,550 --> 01:22:35,940
then you're just gonna go with wherever

2189
01:22:38,630 --> 01:22:37,560
Society is leading you and just assuming

2190
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:38,640
that everyone's going to take care of

2191
01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:40,920
you and that historically would tell you

2192
01:22:45,470 --> 01:22:42,840
is is not a good assumption to make and

2193
01:22:48,530 --> 01:22:45,480
then let's finally talk about showing up

2194
01:22:51,610 --> 01:22:48,540
because I think showing up has an

2195
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:51,620
interesting interplay with growing up

2196
01:22:59,090 --> 01:22:55,500
because we can grow up and then decide

2197
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:59,100
that okay so I got my together I

2198
01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:00,719
don't need anybody else

2199
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:03,300
yep and that's why I included this with

2200
01:23:07,130 --> 01:23:05,040
regard to not only climate but the great

2201
01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:07,140
reset generally is you could be you

2202
01:23:09,770 --> 01:23:08,460
could do your waking up cleaning up and

2203
01:23:12,530 --> 01:23:09,780
growing up and say all right I'm good

2204
01:23:14,750 --> 01:23:12,540
I'm enlightened I'm a comprehensively

2205
01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:14,760
evolved person so I'm just going to be

2206
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:15,960
passive

2207
01:23:21,290 --> 01:23:18,480
and I don't resonate with that at all

2208
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,300
the more I look at this and I I I'm so

2209
01:23:25,070 --> 01:23:23,280
sensitized to this going back to my

2210
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:25,080
earlier point in the non-dual community

2211
01:23:30,410 --> 01:23:28,800
I see this tendency of it's all one

2212
01:23:32,090 --> 01:23:30,420
that's the Ultimate Reality and

2213
01:23:33,290 --> 01:23:32,100
therefore I can just do nothing and I'm

2214
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:33,300
going to repeat a story I can't remember

2215
01:23:37,430 --> 01:23:35,460
if I told her on a past interview this

2216
01:23:39,709 --> 01:23:37,440
is this was a pivotal point for me in my

2217
01:23:42,050 --> 01:23:39,719
own Development David Hawkins talking

2218
01:23:43,430 --> 01:23:42,060
about Ramana maharshi Ramana maharshi

2219
01:23:45,229 --> 01:23:43,440
said the world that we see doesn't exist

2220
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,239
and Hawkins said yep that's right at

2221
01:23:48,770 --> 01:23:47,280
some level of reality and and Robin and

2222
01:23:50,709 --> 01:23:48,780
maharshi is operating at that level of

2223
01:23:52,669 --> 01:23:50,719
reality but Hawkins who himself

2224
01:23:54,110 --> 01:23:52,679
allegedly got to those sorts of states

2225
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:54,120
he came back into the world he said

2226
01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:55,920
because there's a lot of suffering in

2227
01:23:59,209 --> 01:23:57,600
the world even though maharshi is

2228
01:24:00,649 --> 01:23:59,219
correct the people who are suffering are

2229
01:24:02,689 --> 01:24:00,659
not operating at that level that there

2230
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:02,699
is no world to them the suffering is

2231
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:04,800
very much real so Hawkins said it would

2232
01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:07,020
be therefore be a spiritual error to

2233
01:24:10,130 --> 01:24:08,760
ignore the suffering of others in spite

2234
01:24:12,590 --> 01:24:10,140
of the fact that we exist within a

2235
01:24:14,810 --> 01:24:12,600
non-dual reality and to me that points

2236
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:14,820
toward uh the idea that we need to be

2237
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:15,840
active

2238
01:24:19,550 --> 01:24:17,760
to try to alleviate the suffering of

2239
01:24:20,990 --> 01:24:19,560
others and that's where showing up comes

2240
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:21,000
into play it can manifest so many

2241
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:22,440
different ways it can manifest in terms

2242
01:24:26,270 --> 01:24:24,239
of presenting information it can

2243
01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:26,280
manifest in terms of caring for other

2244
01:24:30,050 --> 01:24:28,440
people but in terms of the great reset I

2245
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:30,060
think it's about resistance it's about

2246
01:24:34,490 --> 01:24:31,679
actively saying no and setting

2247
01:24:37,610 --> 01:24:34,500
boundaries to things that we perceive to

2248
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:37,620
be evil and I'll I'll quote uh Seth

2249
01:24:41,930 --> 01:24:39,600
Dillon who's the head of Babylon B which

2250
01:24:43,010 --> 01:24:41,940
is a satirical news outlet and it's

2251
01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:43,020
pretty funny because a lot of their

2252
01:24:46,130 --> 01:24:44,760
headlines from a few years ago which

2253
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:46,140
were satirical have turned out to be

2254
01:24:50,330 --> 01:24:48,540
real headlines in the modern era and he

2255
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,340
he makes the point that

2256
01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:52,800
uh some I'm paraphrasing him some people

2257
01:24:57,169 --> 01:24:55,140
think that we are becoming a better

2258
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:57,179
Society because we're more tolerant of

2259
01:25:00,410 --> 01:24:59,040
of things and we're not making fun of of

2260
01:25:01,610 --> 01:25:00,420
things that are happening he goes I

2261
01:25:03,530 --> 01:25:01,620
think we're more depraved than ever

2262
01:25:05,570 --> 01:25:03,540
because we're not standing up to things

2263
01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:05,580
that we should be standing up to so it's

2264
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:07,860
this very tricky notion of Tolerance and

2265
01:25:10,669 --> 01:25:09,120
going back to the weaponization of

2266
01:25:12,050 --> 01:25:10,679
compassion sometimes we shouldn't be

2267
01:25:14,630 --> 01:25:12,060
tolerant we shouldn't be tolerant of

2268
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:14,640
things that are evil and someone with a

2269
01:25:17,390 --> 01:25:16,320
very benevolent intent who wants to go

2270
01:25:19,250 --> 01:25:17,400
for the common good we're all

2271
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,260
interconnected it's all about love it's

2272
01:25:22,490 --> 01:25:21,120
all tolerance all the time but sometimes

2273
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:22,500
we need to set boundaries and that's

2274
01:25:26,330 --> 01:25:24,540
where showing up comes in

2275
01:25:28,669 --> 01:25:26,340
I love that Mark

2276
01:25:31,130 --> 01:25:28,679
I take two other directions on that as

2277
01:25:33,169 --> 01:25:31,140
we start to wrap it up is the other

2278
01:25:36,350 --> 01:25:33,179
thing that resonates with me is the

2279
01:25:40,130 --> 01:25:36,360
complexity of being an American being

2280
01:25:41,689 --> 01:25:40,140
USA USA because what we're striving for

2281
01:25:43,729 --> 01:25:41,699
here is

2282
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,739
has been laid out before

2283
01:25:48,110 --> 01:25:46,080
has been has been taught to us in our

2284
01:25:51,470 --> 01:25:48,120
lessons from our history of our country

2285
01:25:54,410 --> 01:25:51,480
which is if you don't talk up if you

2286
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:54,420
don't speak up it doesn't get done it is

2287
01:26:00,890 --> 01:25:57,840
your job to keep this Republic in line

2288
01:26:03,410 --> 01:26:00,900
because we realize how tenuous this

2289
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:03,420
whole thing is and it does it is held

2290
01:26:07,790 --> 01:26:05,280
together with you know

2291
01:26:10,610 --> 01:26:07,800
chewing gum in wax or whatever the only

2292
01:26:12,830 --> 01:26:10,620
kind of expression is it's our job it's

2293
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,840
our job to talk about it and do it and

2294
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:14,880
the other thing I match that with is is

2295
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,560
a story that I've repeated you know I

2296
01:26:19,550 --> 01:26:18,000
don't know that you repeated that lesson

2297
01:26:21,350 --> 01:26:19,560
I think I heard that one before from you

2298
01:26:23,390 --> 01:26:21,360
but it's the story I like to tell about

2299
01:26:25,490 --> 01:26:23,400
Amma the hugging Saint from India you

2300
01:26:27,770 --> 01:26:25,500
know and she goes and she does all these

2301
01:26:30,290 --> 01:26:27,780
incredible Gatherings where you know

2302
01:26:32,450 --> 01:26:30,300
people can come and people get they get

2303
01:26:34,070 --> 01:26:32,460
hugged you know so I've I went to one of

2304
01:26:36,350 --> 01:26:34,080
them in LA and there's a thousand people

2305
01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:36,360
two thousand I think lined up to get a

2306
01:26:43,070 --> 01:26:39,060
hug and how this woman this old woman

2307
01:26:45,350 --> 01:26:43,080
sits there and hugs for 18 hours a day I

2308
01:26:46,850 --> 01:26:45,360
don't know but she she does and it's an

2309
01:26:49,250 --> 01:26:46,860
incredible experience for a lot of

2310
01:26:51,050 --> 01:26:49,260
people but one day one of her devotees

2311
01:26:54,890 --> 01:26:51,060
comes up and goes

2312
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:54,900
um I I don't understand you you say uh

2313
01:26:59,209 --> 01:26:57,360
that you're not about this world and yet

2314
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,219
everything you're doing you know you're

2315
01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:01,199
doing all this work you're digging

2316
01:27:05,570 --> 01:27:03,960
latrines in India you're unending and

2317
01:27:08,270 --> 01:27:05,580
the work that you're doing why are you

2318
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,280
doing so much work for this world

2319
01:27:13,010 --> 01:27:10,320
and she says she's

2320
01:27:17,870 --> 01:27:13,020
told to say we're told that she says

2321
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:17,880
world what world and to me that is the

2322
01:27:23,570 --> 01:27:20,639
there's an aspect of that that I would

2323
01:27:26,270 --> 01:27:23,580
like I would like to get to in terms of

2324
01:27:29,930 --> 01:27:26,280
my spiritual understanding or I don't

2325
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:29,940
have to judge other people in order to

2326
01:27:34,010 --> 01:27:32,639
judge the right action that I need to

2327
01:27:38,930 --> 01:27:34,020
take at the time

2328
01:27:39,950 --> 01:27:38,940
yes so two things one on judging other

2329
01:27:41,450 --> 01:27:39,960
people

2330
01:27:43,129 --> 01:27:41,460
and let's just let's just say with

2331
01:27:45,229 --> 01:27:43,139
regard to the fact that we seem to be

2332
01:27:47,030 --> 01:27:45,239
living in like a bifurcated Society

2333
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:47,040
where some people see what reality other

2334
01:27:50,030 --> 01:27:48,540
people see in other reality some people

2335
01:27:52,490 --> 01:27:50,040
say this is good and other people will

2336
01:27:54,890 --> 01:27:52,500
see the same thing and say it's evil

2337
01:27:56,330 --> 01:27:54,900
the challenge there it's not as much

2338
01:27:58,129 --> 01:27:56,340
from a judgmental perspective that I

2339
01:28:00,290 --> 01:27:58,139
talk about it I talk about it from a

2340
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:00,300
practical perspective it is difficult to

2341
01:28:04,250 --> 01:28:02,880
coexist and even have conversations when

2342
01:28:06,410 --> 01:28:04,260
you're not looking at the same things

2343
01:28:08,510 --> 01:28:06,420
you're just talking past each other

2344
01:28:09,530 --> 01:28:08,520
constantly so there are practical issues

2345
01:28:10,970 --> 01:28:09,540
with that and you can still have

2346
01:28:13,010 --> 01:28:10,980
compassion for people

2347
01:28:15,709 --> 01:28:13,020
who might not see something that you see

2348
01:28:18,649 --> 01:28:15,719
that's fine uh but it doesn't

2349
01:28:22,490 --> 01:28:18,659
remove the fact that it's challenging

2350
01:28:24,590 --> 01:28:22,500
and with regard to the AMA story I I

2351
01:28:26,270 --> 01:28:24,600
think that sums up the attitude that I

2352
01:28:29,990 --> 01:28:26,280
would like to get to as well which is

2353
01:28:32,330 --> 01:28:30,000
really one of non-attachment to outcomes

2354
01:28:34,610 --> 01:28:32,340
it's the idea that

2355
01:28:36,169 --> 01:28:34,620
she's doing her duty to the best of her

2356
01:28:37,970 --> 01:28:36,179
ability

2357
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,980
but whatever happens to the world is out

2358
01:28:40,850 --> 01:28:39,360
of her control

2359
01:28:42,050 --> 01:28:40,860
and that I've been asked this a few

2360
01:28:42,890 --> 01:28:42,060
times actually like Mark what do you

2361
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:42,900
think is going to happen with the great

2362
01:28:47,030 --> 01:28:45,120
reset and first of all I don't know

2363
01:28:51,050 --> 01:28:47,040
what's going to happen but

2364
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:51,060
in some regard I don't care

2365
01:28:55,129 --> 01:28:52,560
and that could be taken the wrong way I

2366
01:28:56,689 --> 01:28:55,139
I do care I hope it turns into a it goes

2367
01:28:58,729 --> 01:28:56,699
in a positive direction but that's not

2368
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,739
where my focus is my focus is on is on

2369
01:29:03,290 --> 01:29:00,719
what I can do and whether I'm doing the

2370
01:29:05,450 --> 01:29:03,300
best job I can the outcome of that is

2371
01:29:07,189 --> 01:29:05,460
beyond my control

2372
01:29:09,530 --> 01:29:07,199
so it's sort of like we just do the best

2373
01:29:11,450 --> 01:29:09,540
that we can and I I hearken this back to

2374
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:11,460
some of like my tennis days as a

2375
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:12,719
competitive athlete

2376
01:29:16,430 --> 01:29:15,120
if I have a certain strategy let's say

2377
01:29:18,350 --> 01:29:16,440
I'm going to hit an approach shot to the

2378
01:29:20,510 --> 01:29:18,360
guy's backhand and I know that if I do

2379
01:29:21,709 --> 01:29:20,520
that nine out of ten times I'm gonna get

2380
01:29:23,570 --> 01:29:21,719
the volley that I want and I'm going to

2381
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:23,580
win the point but one out of ten times I

2382
01:29:26,570 --> 01:29:25,440
might lose but I'm gonna do it because

2383
01:29:28,370 --> 01:29:26,580
it's the right thing and that's the

2384
01:29:31,250 --> 01:29:28,380
right strategy at that point

2385
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:31,260
so you've got to be unattached to what

2386
01:29:34,669 --> 01:29:33,120
the result is in the end but it's

2387
01:29:35,930 --> 01:29:34,679
different and Hawkins makes this very

2388
01:29:38,810 --> 01:29:35,940
important distinction the different

2389
01:29:40,729 --> 01:29:38,820
distinction between non-attachment and

2390
01:29:42,950 --> 01:29:40,739
detachment

2391
01:29:44,810 --> 01:29:42,960
Detachment is about just literally not

2392
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:44,820
caring and that's not what I'm talking

2393
01:29:50,570 --> 01:29:48,719
about I'm talking about caring but not

2394
01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:50,580
not being attached to what the ultimate

2395
01:29:56,030 --> 01:29:52,920
result is there's a real Nuance to that

2396
01:29:58,370 --> 01:29:56,040
that I think becomes clear I love your

2397
01:30:01,490 --> 01:29:58,380
example of the competitive Sports

2398
01:30:03,290 --> 01:30:01,500
analogy because I think it we do hear

2399
01:30:05,330 --> 01:30:03,300
that again and again from athletes

2400
01:30:09,169 --> 01:30:05,340
particularly very elite athletes that

2401
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:09,179
are able to detach from the ultimate

2402
01:30:15,590 --> 01:30:12,239
outcome by focusing really really

2403
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:15,600
intensely on the more immediate outcome

2404
01:30:19,970 --> 01:30:18,000
of you'll hear this in football all the

2405
01:30:23,570 --> 01:30:19,980
time it's like have that short memory

2406
01:30:25,610 --> 01:30:23,580
just do my assignment on this play and

2407
01:30:28,490 --> 01:30:25,620
then when that plays over the next play

2408
01:30:30,770 --> 01:30:28,500
just do what I'm supposed to do on this

2409
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,780
play and if everyone in the team does

2410
01:30:34,129 --> 01:30:31,920
that

2411
01:30:35,450 --> 01:30:34,139
more often than not we win

2412
01:30:37,610 --> 01:30:35,460
mm-hmm

2413
01:30:39,890 --> 01:30:37,620
it's a compartmentalization it's it's

2414
01:30:41,510 --> 01:30:39,900
both it's a kind of a paradox at one

2415
01:30:42,830 --> 01:30:41,520
level there's a compartmentalization of

2416
01:30:44,930 --> 01:30:42,840
what's happening in the present time and

2417
01:30:46,370 --> 01:30:44,940
this immediate task in front of me but

2418
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,380
it's also while holding the bigger

2419
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:48,480
picture in mind of the broader objective

2420
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,400
that it's fitting into so we could take

2421
01:30:53,450 --> 01:30:52,080
this interview as an example both of us

2422
01:30:54,890 --> 01:30:53,460
probably have a vision for our lives to

2423
01:30:56,930 --> 01:30:54,900
some degree but right now we're focused

2424
01:30:58,610 --> 01:30:56,940
on this conversation that's our Focus

2425
01:31:03,290 --> 01:30:58,620
but it's when within the context of

2426
01:31:05,810 --> 01:31:03,300
something bigger yes it is so this has

2427
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:05,820
been awesome let me try and turn it into

2428
01:31:10,149 --> 01:31:08,639
something that people can understand to

2429
01:31:13,310 --> 01:31:10,159
some extent and I think they will

2430
01:31:14,750 --> 01:31:13,320
they've listened so far yeah I think

2431
01:31:16,669 --> 01:31:14,760
they're they're in in for a penny and

2432
01:31:18,110 --> 01:31:16,679
for a pound again the book you're going

2433
01:31:20,330 --> 01:31:18,120
to want to check out you want to check

2434
01:31:23,930 --> 01:31:20,340
out several of his books the three that

2435
01:31:26,030 --> 01:31:23,940
I have up here are particularly great in

2436
01:31:29,510 --> 01:31:26,040
my opinion and end to upside down

2437
01:31:31,370 --> 01:31:29,520
thinking all about kind of how we got

2438
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:31,380
derailed on the Consciousness thing

2439
01:31:35,390 --> 01:31:32,880
which we've talked a lot about on this

2440
01:31:38,030 --> 01:31:35,400
show but Mark has a very

2441
01:31:39,110 --> 01:31:38,040
he just has a very great way of breaking

2442
01:31:40,910 --> 01:31:39,120
things down and making them

2443
01:31:43,310 --> 01:31:40,920
understandable and communicating in a

2444
01:31:45,709 --> 01:31:43,320
way that you'll get and you'll feel like

2445
01:31:49,129 --> 01:31:45,719
ah this is something I can pass along to

2446
01:31:51,830 --> 01:31:49,139
somebody else and then the other book an

2447
01:31:53,810 --> 01:31:51,840
end to upside down contact again

2448
01:31:58,729 --> 01:31:53,820
fantastic and where he's willing to go

2449
01:32:00,290 --> 01:31:58,739
with the UFO ET experience is just

2450
01:32:03,110 --> 01:32:00,300
refreshing because

2451
01:32:04,910 --> 01:32:03,120
few people are are willing to go all the

2452
01:32:06,290 --> 01:32:04,920
way there and tie it into all these

2453
01:32:08,990 --> 01:32:06,300
other things that we're talking about in

2454
01:32:11,570 --> 01:32:09,000
terms of spirituality and

2455
01:32:12,649 --> 01:32:11,580
and what it means in a bigger sense and

2456
01:32:15,070 --> 01:32:12,659
then finally the book we've talked about

2457
01:32:18,649 --> 01:32:15,080
today and end to the upside down reset

2458
01:32:21,110 --> 01:32:18,659
so Mark it's it's been great having you

2459
01:32:23,450 --> 01:32:21,120
on tell us what else we should know as

2460
01:32:24,830 --> 01:32:23,460
we uh say goodbye well Alex I want to

2461
01:32:26,689 --> 01:32:24,840
thank you for all of your ongoing

2462
01:32:28,970 --> 01:32:26,699
support I really truly appreciate it and

2463
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:28,980
thank you for having me on in terms of

2464
01:32:32,930 --> 01:32:31,440
like what's next uh well first of all

2465
01:32:36,189 --> 01:32:32,940
where your viewers and listeners can

2466
01:32:38,330 --> 01:32:36,199
find me my website is markgober.com

2467
01:32:40,669 --> 01:32:38,340
m-a-r-k-g-o-b-e-r.com and I have five

2468
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:40,679
books out they're all on Amazon Kindle

2469
01:32:44,810 --> 01:32:43,199
hard copy and Audible for all five and I

2470
01:32:46,189 --> 01:32:44,820
have a podcast series called where is my

2471
01:32:47,510 --> 01:32:46,199
mind which is on the idea that

2472
01:32:48,350 --> 01:32:47,520
Consciousness does not come from the

2473
01:32:49,910 --> 01:32:48,360
brain

2474
01:32:52,490 --> 01:32:49,920
so that's what I've been working on for

2475
01:32:54,890 --> 01:32:52,500
the last it started in 2016 and now here

2476
01:32:56,149 --> 01:32:54,900
we are I don't know what's next and I

2477
01:32:57,890 --> 01:32:56,159
feel like I say that every time we talk

2478
01:32:58,970 --> 01:32:57,900
because I literally don't I didn't know

2479
01:33:00,290 --> 01:32:58,980
I was going to write this new book on

2480
01:33:01,129 --> 01:33:00,300
the great reset when we talked not long

2481
01:33:03,709 --> 01:33:01,139
ago

2482
01:33:06,110 --> 01:33:03,719
so I'm just trying to follow where the

2483
01:33:08,209 --> 01:33:06,120
breadcrumbs lead me I'm gonna repeat

2484
01:33:10,370 --> 01:33:08,219
what I've said multiple times before I'm

2485
01:33:12,110 --> 01:33:10,380
stuck on this topic of these like

2486
01:33:13,729 --> 01:33:12,120
different Paradigm shifts that people

2487
01:33:15,410 --> 01:33:13,739
are in and what are the psychological

2488
01:33:17,209 --> 01:33:15,420
barriers to those various Paradigm

2489
01:33:19,250 --> 01:33:17,219
shifts because that's

2490
01:33:20,990 --> 01:33:19,260
if we're thinking about outcomes now

2491
01:33:22,790 --> 01:33:21,000
maybe that's where the outcome is gonna

2492
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,800
that's where the outcome is going to go

2493
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:24,480
one way or the other is whether people

2494
01:33:29,810 --> 01:33:26,159
can break through those Paradigm shifts

2495
01:33:31,550 --> 01:33:29,820
and and understanding why people are not

2496
01:33:32,810 --> 01:33:31,560
and trying to get to the solution to

2497
01:33:35,570 --> 01:33:32,820
rectify it

2498
01:33:38,090 --> 01:33:35,580
great Mark great all right thanks again

2499
01:33:39,890 --> 01:33:38,100
it's been awesome thanks Alex

2500
01:33:42,350 --> 01:33:39,900
thanks again to Mark Gober for joining

2501
01:33:44,450 --> 01:33:42,360
me today on skeptico the one question I

2502
01:33:47,689 --> 01:33:44,460
T up from this interview

2503
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:47,699
class F empty glass half full

2504
01:33:54,169 --> 01:33:51,840
how bad is this insane wef globalist

2505
01:33:55,390 --> 01:33:54,179
stuff and in particular as this show

2506
01:33:59,330 --> 01:33:55,400
points out

2507
01:34:01,370 --> 01:33:59,340
how bad is it through the lens of all

2508
01:34:05,209 --> 01:34:01,380
the other bad stuff we've lived through

2509
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:05,219
and have to embrace as being part of our

2510
01:34:09,770 --> 01:34:07,199
history because I think that's the lens

2511
01:34:11,930 --> 01:34:09,780
that I wound up kind of coming back to

2512
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:11,940
is like are we always just going to

2513
01:34:16,669 --> 01:34:14,159
point at this timeline now and pretend

2514
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:16,679
like all this other stuff hasn't

2515
01:34:21,890 --> 01:34:18,960
happened and that we don't have to kind

2516
01:34:25,070 --> 01:34:21,900
of contextualize what's going on in this

2517
01:34:28,129 --> 01:34:25,080
larger geopolitical World unfortunately

2518
01:34:30,350 --> 01:34:28,139
I kind of think we do but let's hear

2519
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:30,360
what you have to say that'll do it for

2520
01:34:35,900 --> 01:34:34,080
this one until next time take care bye